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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5783575" data-attributes="member: 6957">Hmmm, I think that there are almost two conversations going on here.Pathfinder is succeeding because of the adventures and setting - quite possibly true.3e succeeded because of the rules - also quite possibly true, but with a caveat.There were two things that I really liked about 3e/3.5 - first was the OGL. Being able to browse the ideas from dozens of companies rather than just one. Most of my favorites were not by WotC. But if I include WotC in with all the others, yeah, rules were important.Second was Eberron, not the adventures, but the setting material. I really did not like the sound of the setting when it was being described. But after I read the setting book.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The Auld Grump</blockquote>