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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5794388" data-attributes="member: 87792">I'm curious about where you got your definition of min/maxing from.&nbsp; Min/Max is Minimising your Weaknesses and Maximising your Strengths.&nbsp; And doing it under the rules.&nbsp; What you've described is a ruleset that in no way prohibits min/maxing, especially because for a spellcaster the biggest thing to min/max isn't their stat line.&nbsp; It's their spell list.&nbsp;From what you've said, your players are min/maxers who simply have to deal with a random element.&nbsp;&nbsp;Translation: &quot;If a PC novas then the DM will, gleefully aided by the other players, demonstrate that he is a DM by something equivalent to dropping a metiorite on that PC&quot;.&nbsp; Well, yes.&nbsp; You have a social contract of &quot;No novaing&quot; enforced quite openly by DM fiat and PCs dragging the poor wizard to his death.&nbsp; And you wonder why you don't see it.&nbsp;&nbsp;Well no.&nbsp; If you know that the DM is going to metagame to kill the PC for novaing (and that's what &quot;curing a given caster's need to nova their spells, and the subsequent death that follows&quot; translates to, especially mixed with your example) you don't do it.&nbsp; In the same way that you don't wear metal armour if you know that every time you put metal armour on the DM creates rust monsters for you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5794388, member: 87792"] I'm curious about where you got your definition of min/maxing from. Min/Max is Minimising your Weaknesses and Maximising your Strengths. And doing it under the rules. What you've described is a ruleset that in no way prohibits min/maxing, especially because for a spellcaster the biggest thing to min/max isn't their stat line. It's their spell list. From what you've said, your players [I]are[/I] min/maxers who simply have to deal with a random element. Translation: "If a PC novas then the DM will, gleefully aided by the other players, demonstrate that he is a DM by something equivalent to dropping a metiorite on that PC". Well, yes. You have a social contract of "No novaing" enforced quite openly by DM fiat and PCs dragging the poor wizard to his death. And you wonder why you don't see it. Well no. If you know that the DM is going to metagame to kill the PC for novaing (and that's what "curing a given caster's need to nova their spells, and the subsequent death that follows" translates to, especially mixed with your example) you don't do it. In the same way that you don't wear metal armour if you know that every time you put metal armour on the DM creates rust monsters for you. [/QUOTE]

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