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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5794850" data-attributes="member: 6957">For some reason I suspect that their needing to fall back against the [spoiler]trolls[/spoiler] had more to do with the fact that they were levels five and six than any errors. They got to that encounter area a bit earlier than might have been best.At this point, I am pretty sure that you are, to use an old and annoying phrase, 'playing the game wrong'.*We have the three and four encounter adventuring day. We do not have the 15 MAD. We have a party leaning toward a mix of all roles. We do not have players complaining that the wizard is hogging all the fun. We do have players that feel their characters are being challenged, regardless of class.You apparently do have those problems with encounter numbers, 15 MAD, and 'overpowered' wizards.If one group is playing by the planned balance, and is having the expected results, and another is not... it is a good bet that the one getting the expected results is the one that is playing by Hoyle.So, no, not buying your premise, not even for a penny. The Auld Grump* This is a joke, this is only a joke. Do not adjust your Interweb, we have assumed control....</blockquote>