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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5798200" data-attributes="member: 22779">See, this is where I'm getting stuck.&nbsp; I'm telling you, flat out, that 3e forced a playstyle choice upon me that I did not like.&nbsp; You actually agree that it does so.&nbsp; So, why the constant claims that the problem is all about the DM and not the system?No one, least of all me, is saying you're playing it wrong.&nbsp; OTOH, I'm being told repeatedly, including in this post, that I'm doing it wrong and that any 15 MAD problems are my own fault.&nbsp; The fact that your playstyle matches up with the mechanics nicely is great for you.&nbsp; But, that doesn't really help the problem does it?&nbsp; Again, you recognize that the problem exists, but, because it's not a problem for you, the rest of us should stop &quot;whinging&quot; about it?See, right there.&nbsp; Nice.&nbsp; Anyone who has a problem with something is a whiner and piss poor DM not realy doing their job.&nbsp; Couldn't possibly be the system and anyone who disagrees is obviously just wrong.&nbsp; Can't you see how condescending this is?Considering how much you bitch about the WOTC handling of the 4e marketing, I would think that being open to alternative playstyles would be high on your list of concerns.Bully for you.&nbsp; That's fantastic.&nbsp; You have managed to surround yourself with like minded individuals who share your playstyle.&nbsp; That's certainly one way to solve the issue.&nbsp; Offers absolutely no help to anyone else, but, it works for you certainly.Yup.&nbsp; Agreed.&nbsp; I went to 4e to resolve the problem.&nbsp; But, now I get told by people that I'm not even playing D&amp;D anymore and that I just hate D&amp;D and that I've never really played D&amp;D all the way along.Me, I just prefer playing in a system that is more forgiving to other playstyles and doesn't dictate my playstyle to me.&nbsp; That others are groovy with having their playstyle dictated to them by the designers is great.&nbsp; No problems.&nbsp; I just find it astonishing that the same people who are telling me to basically piss off and find another game are the ones who constantly bitch about the fact that 4e isn't for them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5798200, member: 22779"] See, this is where I'm getting stuck. I'm telling you, flat out, that 3e forced a playstyle choice upon me that I did not like. You actually agree that it does so. So, why the constant claims that the problem is all about the DM and not the system? No one, least of all me, is saying you're playing it wrong. OTOH, I'm being told repeatedly, including in this post, that I'm doing it wrong and that any 15 MAD problems are my own fault. The fact that your playstyle matches up with the mechanics nicely is great for you. But, that doesn't really help the problem does it? Again, you recognize that the problem exists, but, because it's not a problem for you, the rest of us should stop "whinging" about it? See, right there. Nice. Anyone who has a problem with something is a whiner and piss poor DM not realy doing their job. Couldn't possibly be the system and anyone who disagrees is obviously just wrong. Can't you see how condescending this is? Considering how much you bitch about the WOTC handling of the 4e marketing, I would think that being open to alternative playstyles would be high on your list of concerns. Bully for you. That's fantastic. You have managed to surround yourself with like minded individuals who share your playstyle. That's certainly one way to solve the issue. Offers absolutely no help to anyone else, but, it works for you certainly. Yup. Agreed. I went to 4e to resolve the problem. But, now I get told by people that I'm not even playing D&D anymore and that I just hate D&D and that I've never really played D&D all the way along. Me, I just prefer playing in a system that is more forgiving to other playstyles and doesn't dictate my playstyle to me. That others are groovy with having their playstyle dictated to them by the designers is great. No problems. I just find it astonishing that the same people who are telling me to basically piss off and find another game are the ones who constantly bitch about the fact that 4e isn't for them. [/QUOTE]

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