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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5799337" data-attributes="member: 6957">At least this time they are doing marketing research, and hopefully listening to the research and paying attention to playtesters. (Yes, the debacle with the skill DCs still ticks me off.)Deep down, I suspect and fear that 5e will fail. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> I don't want it to fail, but I think that WotC broke their market with 4e and the way they rolled it out. I don't think that they can mend the divide.Still no word, as far as I know, on what I consider the most important piece - the license. And the longer they wait the more I suspect that it is going to be another attempt at the GSL, rather than a return to the OGL.I like the Pathfinder rules better than 4e, but I do not blame the rules for the divide - I blame the marketing during the run up to 4e, and the attitude in some of the books, rather than the rules themselves.Pathfinder, especially since the APG, fits my needs better than 4e - I would have to work around the rules in 4e to get the results that I want (much as some folks claim for 3.X/3.P). It would be awkward and unnecessary, since I have Pathfinder to hand. The failure of marketing for 4e worked to my advantage - had they done their job right in regards to marketing then I would almost certainly not have Pathfinder.And I know that Paizo listens.... In my estimate it makes it a less entertaining RPG - there is a reason that I don't play 4e. If it results in a game that I don't want to play then it does have square wheels, as far as I am concerned.I hated what they did to spellcasters in 4e.However, I should possibly mention that there was (once upon a time) a comedian that did a routine on parking in San Francisco, and part of the routine was to suggest square wheels so that the car wouldn't roll downhill, even with the parking brake on....Given that I saw that routine on TV something like thirty years ago, I think that it is fair to say that I have fumbled my roll for Pop Culture References.....The Auld Grump, as I have said many times before, I never repeat myself....</blockquote>

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