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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5800550" data-attributes="member: 6957">Exactly - dungeon crawls were only one form of adventuring, not the sole focus.Heck, take a look at some of the earliest published material for the game - City State of the Invincible Overlord, Wilderlands, even the Village of Hommlet dedicated much of its space to places that weren't the dungeon.And the wilderness, as a whole, was often more dangerous than the dungeon.... Dungeons were built to work for a particular level of adventurer - the outside did not care. (First level party? Meet Mr. Huge Old Green Dragon....)***But, goodness, this has drifted off topic.It seems like some folks think that this is is the place to air why they think that Pathfinder shouldn't be successful....Sorry guys, it is succeeding, trying to figure out why it shouldn't is a waste of time. Enough folks like the game as it is that it has arguably climbed to number 1.*The Auld Grump* Which is kinder than saying that 4e has tapered down to number 2, which I think is closer to the truth. Pathfinder is doing awesomely well, but D&D has the name recognition, and should be the leader. That it isn't is kind of sad. I don't know if both games together equal the heights of 3.X, but I have my doubts.</blockquote>