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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5806515" data-attributes="member: 6957">Read what I said again. I did not make a statement about setting, I made a statement about fiction used in the place of setting material. And that I would rather know the hows and whys of a setting than have bits of fiction.That is not setting light, it is wanting to look at the parts that make the setting move.A big chunk of PF's success is the setting and story.And, given your choice of quotes from the game books... in what way was that not hypocritical? Your comparison was not like to like, it was comparing an apple to an orange and saying that because they were they made bad airplanes. Not only are your examples not like to like, but neither group of quotes illustrated your point.You are equating fiction with setting. They are not the same thing.All the examples that you used, aside from a passage that did not pretend to be setting material, were really fiction, and not great fiction at that. Nothing more than atmosphere quotes.Again, fiction is not setting, do not confuse the two.Pretty much done with you, your arguments do not hold water.The Auld Grump</blockquote>