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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5806542" data-attributes="member: 957">Fair enough, but a key part of the point at hand is the idea of PF getting bang out of D&amp;D brand recognition.I think PF would not have received a fraction of the notice that it has without being able to launch itself off the system recognition and that system recognition came from BRAND recognition.&nbsp; So the logical connection is there.&nbsp; But people are vastly overstating it.If it was all about Brand then D&amp;D WITH the BRAND would still have a HUGE leg up on D&amp;D with the brand pulled away.&nbsp; And yet the version that is handicapped won handily.&nbsp; If you define &quot;better&quot; as being the game that appeals to the largest fan base then PF is simply a &quot;better&quot; game than 4E.&nbsp; Now, there may be an even BETTER game out there, but it never got noticed.&nbsp; It never got a fair shake.&nbsp; PF got its fair shake from D&amp;D brand heritage.&nbsp; But a fair shake doesn't come close to being &quot;why it has been successful&quot;.&nbsp; There are a lot of reasons that it has been successful.&nbsp; The creativity and talent of the Paizo folks is absolutely on that list.&nbsp; The merits of the core system it uses compared to the merits of its primary competition is also a major part of that list.That isn't meant to cast any negative or positive on any individual preference.&nbsp; But if you (not You, TheAuldGrump&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; ) really think that system isn't a huge part of this then you are fooling yourself and quite likely confusing your own tastes for truth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5806542, member: 957"] Fair enough, but a key part of the point at hand is the idea of PF getting bang out of D&D brand recognition. I think PF would not have received a fraction of the notice that it has without being able to launch itself off the system recognition and that system recognition came from BRAND recognition. So the logical connection is there. But people are vastly overstating it. If it was all about Brand then D&D WITH the BRAND would still have a HUGE leg up on D&D with the brand pulled away. And yet the version that is handicapped won handily. If you define "better" as being the game that appeals to the largest fan base then PF is simply a "better" game than 4E. Now, there may be an even BETTER game out there, but it never got noticed. It never got a fair shake. PF got its fair shake from D&D brand heritage. But a fair shake doesn't come close to being "why it has been successful". There are a lot of reasons that it has been successful. The creativity and talent of the Paizo folks is absolutely on that list. The merits of the core system it uses compared to the merits of its primary competition is also a major part of that list. That isn't meant to cast any negative or positive on any individual preference. But if you (not You, TheAuldGrump :) ) really think that system isn't a huge part of this then you are fooling yourself and quite likely confusing your own tastes for truth. [/QUOTE]

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