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<blockquote data-quote="Underman" data-source="post: 5993364" data-attributes="member: 6696705">If you're going to define my own motives, the least you could do is elaborate your accusations, instead of these incredibly unhelpful one liners.&nbsp;It wasn't the focus of my point, which was about 'Dragons', so no, I did not provide an example. (I assumed Dungeons &amp; Dungeons is 1e gamist 'tomb of horror's style play, for example, but I hate applying such labels because people seem to like pouncing on such such things.)The fact that I didn't mention an example doesn't change the fact that your previous claim was flatly wrong, plain as &quot;Dungeons and Dungeons&quot;. It was there: two (not 'literally' one) strands not under the 'Dragons AND Dungeons'. Your assumption that I singled out 4E was wrong. Period.I still don't understand what seems to so upsetting (other than the possibility that you misread my post and refuse to give me the benefit of the doubt). I feel like the target of some knee jerk reaction.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Underman, post: 5993364, member: 6696705"] If you're going to define my own motives, the least you could do is elaborate your accusations, instead of these incredibly unhelpful one liners. It wasn't the focus of [I]my[/I] point, which was about 'Dragons', so no, I did not provide an example. (I assumed Dungeons & Dungeons is 1e gamist 'tomb of horror's style play, for example, but I hate applying such labels because people seem to like pouncing on such such things.) The fact that I didn't mention an example doesn't change the fact that your previous claim was flatly wrong, plain as "Dungeons and Dungeons". It was there: two (not 'literally' one) strands not under the 'Dragons AND Dungeons'. Your assumption that I singled out 4E was wrong. Period. I still don't understand what seems to so upsetting (other than the possibility that you misread my post and refuse to give me the benefit of the doubt). I [I]feel[/I] like the target of some knee jerk reaction. [/QUOTE]

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