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<blockquote data-quote="cferejohn" data-source="post: 4193060" data-attributes="member: 63649">You know, I think all this bar <s>blather</s> intelligent discussion has made me realize what I don't really like about bard being a player class, and I think it's even more true in 4e, with its right-out-in-the-open conceit that player characters, even low level ones, represent the top 1% of humanity in terms of skills, than it was previously. If a &quot;bard&quot; is someone who holds their own in combat with the most talented weilders of sword and sorcery, then what is the guy who collects and tells stories and performs for money? Its just kind of redefining the word &quot;bard&quot; to mean something pretty radically different than any non-D&amp;D definition (whether historical or fictional) of the word.If there is an arcane leader class that somehow derives its power through music, I wouldn't call it a bard (though he may be regarded as a &quot;bard&quot; by society, but so may a Rogue with some performance abilities). I'd probably go with something like Spellsinger, cringe-worthy though that term may be (thanks Alan Dean Foster, you furry-loving twit).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cferejohn, post: 4193060, member: 63649"] You know, I think all this bar [S]blather[/S] intelligent discussion has made me realize what I don't really like about bard being a player class, and I think it's even more true in 4e, with its right-out-in-the-open conceit that player characters, even low level ones, represent the top 1% of humanity in terms of skills, than it was previously. If a "bard" is someone who holds their own in combat with the most talented weilders of sword and sorcery, then what is the guy who collects and tells stories and performs for money? Its just kind of redefining the word "bard" to mean something pretty radically different than any non-D&D definition (whether historical or fictional) of the word. If there is an arcane leader class that somehow derives its power through music, I wouldn't call it a bard (though he may be regarded as a "bard" by society, but so may a Rogue with some performance abilities). I'd probably go with something like Spellsinger, cringe-worthy though that term may be (thanks Alan Dean Foster, you furry-loving twit). [/QUOTE]

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