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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9746130" data-attributes="member: 7023840">Let's assume that there is a "pre-bard." Because they are a "pre-bard," they do not have to follow the rules for the 2C (that easier to follow than TC, right) character. So what you're saying is that the player starts with a 15 dexterity.They advance to level 7 in fighter.Then they become a thief. You're saying that this is fine, because ... they aren't a 2C character. They are a "pre-bard."The character is neutral. After all, they are a pre-bard! Now, they find a strange helmet. They put it on...It's a helmet of opposite alignment! What happens in the following two scenarios (it you're Neutral, it forces you to an extreme alignment)?1. It turns them LE.2. It turns them LG.In scenario 1, they are still a thief, but they can no longer be a pre-bard, because they aren't eligible to be a bard.In scenario 2, they can no longer continue as a thief at all. In both cases, you now have a problem- you've allowed a 2C character without requiring the minimum requirements for a 2C character. I could provide additional bits, but it should be clear. There is no "pre-bard." There is a fighter. And then there are the 2C rules that let you become a thief. And as the bard rules put it (badly) you need to get to at least one level above your fighter level (and can accumulate hit points only for that additional amount, JUST LIKE A 2C character, which you are) before you finally can choose to become a bard. Or ...Bards begin play as fighters, and they must remain exclusively fighters until they have achieved at least the 5th level of experience. Anytime thereafter, and in any event prior to attaining the 8th level, they must change their class to that of thieves. Again, sometime between 5th and 9th level of ability, bards must leave off thieving and begin clerical studies as druids; but at this time they are actually bards and under druidical tutelage. Bards must fulfill the requirements in all the above classes before progressing to Bards Table 1.There is no pre-bard. It's just a badly written set of rules ....</blockquote>

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