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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gus L" data-source="post: 9372983" data-attributes="member: 7045072">These are great products, but to me they are Post-OSR. Cairn is NSR, OSE started as a late OSR project and continues as a branded retro-clone with its own community. My point is again not to split hairs about the exact dates of the art movement but to point out that what we have now several distinct child-movements that for the most part aren't in conversation and aren't aiming for the same things.For me personally as an early-OSR forum lurker and mid-OSR blogger and designer (now also a post-OSR blogger and designer) this looks like a large circle of gaming acquaintances, design collaborators, and campaigns exploding into several small circles. For example I still talk to the TorantOSR folks some, I talk with NSR people (a few who were OSR people as well) and my own cohort of collaborators (many who are from the OSR days).  I also talk to the forums here - but there's no one place I can present an idea and have the input of all these people at once, and the ideas (or specifically design goals) of these groups are different. There is no OSR in a meaningful sense - just a variety of people using the term for different ends. As Crass said back in the 1970's "Punk is Dead"...</blockquote>