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<blockquote data-quote="Gus L" data-source="post: 9373845" data-attributes="member: 7045072">Note James isn't talking about specific encumbrance for items - he's discussing the dungeon as a puzzle solved by item use, and yes - this is part of the long term set of OSR interests and ideas. What I'm pointing out is that the use of a Miscellaneous Equipment &quot;80 cn&quot; catch all vs. slot or specific coin encumbrance (which is theoretically possible in AD&amp;D, but not much remarked on) for supply items - which is I think a later concerns.&nbsp; This is sensible really.&nbsp; If you are in a 10 hour play marathon of the Lake Geneva 1978 variety, it's important to have a mess of torches and whatever - more then you can carry with most slot/and specific weight for item systems. Prior to online play longer sessions were the dominant form of OSR play.My suspicion is that supply as a clock or risk in itself (i.e. running out of torches) largely becomes an OSR concern in 2013 - 2014 right around the increasing focus on individual online campaigns (often mega-dungeons ones like Nightwick, Pahvelorn etc) with an expedition style of play.&nbsp; The 2-4 hour session requires a smaller &quot;pack&quot; of supplies for them to be meaningful and these games tended to be lower level dungeon crawls (because of attrition both in PCs and players - most were at least semi-open table, but few were as open to bringing characters from other games&nbsp; as during the prior &quot;consta-con&quot; style of play).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gus L, post: 9373845, member: 7045072"] Note James isn't talking about specific encumbrance for items - he's discussing the dungeon as a puzzle solved by item use, and yes - this is part of the long term set of OSR interests and ideas. What I'm pointing out is that the use of a Miscellaneous Equipment "80 cn" catch all vs. slot or specific coin encumbrance (which is theoretically possible in AD&D, but not much remarked on) for supply items - which is I think a later concerns. This is sensible really. If you are in a 10 hour play marathon of the Lake Geneva 1978 variety, it's important to have a mess of torches and whatever - more then you can carry with most slot/and specific weight for item systems. Prior to online play longer sessions were the dominant form of OSR play. My suspicion is that supply as a clock or risk in itself (i.e. running out of torches) largely becomes an OSR concern in 2013 - 2014 right around the increasing focus on individual online campaigns (often mega-dungeons ones like Nightwick, Pahvelorn etc) with an expedition style of play. The 2-4 hour session requires a smaller "pack" of supplies for them to be meaningful and these games tended to be lower level dungeon crawls (because of attrition both in PCs and players - most were at least semi-open table, but few were as open to bringing characters from other games as during the prior "consta-con" style of play). [/QUOTE]

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