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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9373874" data-attributes="member: 7026594">That simplification/abstraction from Moldvay is taken from 1974 OD&amp;D (page 15).Holmes has an interesting variation- it basically just tells you to track treasure and whether you're armored, but it also explicitly instructs you to note on paper where exactly you're carrying your mundane gear, which puts a non-numeric implied limit on how much stuff you can carry.&nbsp; You have to be able to show the DM exactly where you're carrying all this gear.AD&amp;D is the first edition to really try to clamp down on encumbrance, giving specific values for most gear, not just armor and weapons and treasure.&nbsp; It only gives the equipment encumbrance figures in the DMG, though, where 2nd ed cleans this up and puts it all in the main equipment lists in the PH.1983 Basic uses a simplified Encumbrance system once more.&nbsp; It assumes that if you're in leather or no armor and carrying &quot;normal&quot; gear you're at 300cn encumbrance, and if you're in chain or plate and carrying normal gear you start at 700cn encumbrance and you add treasure gathered on top of that.&nbsp; And then the Expert set introduces &quot;track the weight of every individual piece of gear&quot; as an optional Expert rule, mimicking AD&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 9373874, member: 7026594"] That simplification/abstraction from Moldvay is taken from 1974 OD&D (page 15). Holmes has an interesting variation- it basically just tells you to track treasure and whether you're armored, but it also explicitly instructs you to note on paper where exactly you're carrying your mundane gear, which puts a non-numeric implied limit on how much stuff you can carry. You have to be able to show the DM exactly where you're carrying all this gear. AD&D is the first edition to really try to clamp down on encumbrance, giving specific values for most gear, not just armor and weapons and treasure. It only gives the equipment encumbrance figures in the DMG, though, where 2nd ed cleans this up and puts it all in the main equipment lists in the PH. 1983 Basic uses a simplified Encumbrance system once more. It assumes that if you're in leather or no armor and carrying "normal" gear you're at 300cn encumbrance, and if you're in chain or plate and carrying normal gear you start at 700cn encumbrance and you add treasure gathered on top of that. And then the Expert set introduces "track the weight of every individual piece of gear" as an optional Expert rule, mimicking AD&D. [/QUOTE]

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