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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6482683" data-attributes="member: 42582">The reference is not spurious. I recommend it because I happen to have been reading it in the past month or so. The reference is not particularly scholarly either. I picked it up in a popular bookshop (Readers Feast, Collins St, Melbourne) and I am not a professional historian.The other reference I could offer off the top of my head (as opposed to checking my bookshelf) is Ullman's Political Thought in the Middle Ages (there is a Pelican edition from the 70s or 80s), but I have not read that for a long time and don't remember the details of the discussion of property disputes between church and the nobility.And the question asked was not "Why would you want property?", to which the answer is obvious - power and income. The question was "Who would own the property? The PC or the church?" And this is a question about the relationship between office and personal status, and the relationship between property held by way of office and property held on one's personal account.On the nature of heresy, yes. On the nature of clerical reforms in 11th and 12th century Europe, and consequent developments in the way that noble family's and the church's property holdings interrelated, not so much. And it was to address the latter point that I made the recommendation.Life is finite. For a non-specialist, I don't think much harm will come from starting with a recent book by a major figure that has been well-reviewed by other scholars in the field.But in any event, as I said, Moore's discussion of changes in proprietary norms is not revisionist.Yet I've managed to play FRPGs for 30 years, with ropes included, yet never needed to know the hit points or AC of a rope. (I may have looked up the item saving throw table in the DMG once or twice 25 years ago.)</blockquote>

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