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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 4999349" data-attributes="member: 59082">I am asking this question of those who like (and preferably have played) 4ed; if you hate 4ed please don't bother, not really or only because of the spewage factor, but because the question is based upon the idea that 4ed is the latest link in a positive developmental chain from OD&D up. Whether or not this is true is not the point of this thread.So the question:What has been lost along the way? A specific secondary question might be, what elements of prior editions were excised from 4ed but shouldn't have been?The main thing I see is what 1ed called 0-level characters. That is, truly starting adventurers, aka "off the farm." There is no option for this in 4ed which basically starts with the characters being pretty seasoned (thus Heroic Tier), or at least fully trained and above the level of your garden variety city guardsman or soldier. I've thought of putting together some kind of 0-level rules option that would effectively take the PCs from adolescence to adulthood, effectively their apprenticeship years, thus a kind of "Apprentice Tier." This would work really well for epic storylines ala high fantasy novels where the protagonist(s) often start "off the farm" or as young nobles, etc.</blockquote>