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Message: <blockquote data-quote="coyote6" data-source="post: 757225" data-attributes="member: 1225">Hmm, seems like a poor choice of samples for comparison -- those are all different sizes, and are thus all different creatures by the current rules. So why would you need new templates, when the current rules cover it?A better set of examples would be creatures of the same size, but radically different configuration: should the animated skeleton of a horse have the same stats as the animated skeleton of an ettin, a displacer beast, or a girallon?BTW, y'all do know that pretty much every undead type under the MM sun* has been transformed into a template already? Most of them are in Savage Species; a number also appeared in Dragon a while ago; I think the unintelligent skeleton & zombie templates have only been in d20 Modern, the WotC website, and maybe that Dragon article; and the bone and corpse (IIR the names correctly; the intelligent skeleton & zombie templates) are in BoVD or MM2. Myself, I like having the templates available, but I also like having the pre-made "base" critters around, for simplicity.*Well, maybe not most; no nightshades or mohrgs or bodaks, IIRC. But ghouls, wraiths, wights, etc.</blockquote>