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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mathilda" data-source="post: 6858656" data-attributes="member: 6836566">Not intended to be disparaging but I view the above quote as rather skewed and biased.In response to your "Play to Win" example and substitute a heavy roleplayer who only wants to talk about themselves as equally irritating to a normal party.  The point is that there are more archtypes that are disruptive to the game than just powergamers.  I suggest that you recognize that fact.  Also TCO has stated on numerous posts that he is willing to give advice to those that ask to better their own characters... this behavior is contradictory to the picture you paint of him... that of a player that wants to out perform everyone else at the table.In response to your "Play to Play" example is a very white, ivory tower viewpoint.  I concede that this notion is what all players should strive to be but in my experience, most players are driven by basic human necessities which are completing the mission prescribed and being rewarded for that mission.  Players love their shinies and they love to level up irregardless if they were carried, or doing the carrying.  Hence, my viewpoint is that everyone is playing to win and no one likes losing.I do agree that Home Games are better than Organized Play but that statement is true for all editions of DnDAlso there are "game breaking" builds in every edition (although I personally do not subscribe to that point of view) but only the player themselves can make themselves irrelevant at a table.  Normally from experience, if a player feels that way is because they do not put in the pre-requisite amount of time to educate themselves in being better or they feel elitist and expect it should be given to them no matter the circumstance and do not put in the effort to be better.</blockquote>

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