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<blockquote data-quote="thecasualoblivion" data-source="post: 6859903" data-attributes="member: 59096">I just got done reading all the optimization guides for each class, and I'd say 80-90% of the time they recommended getting your main stat to 20 first. If you really want a feat, the guides recommend going variant human and getting the feat for free at level 1 while getting your stat to 20 by 8th level. This was the list of guides I was using:<a href="http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2014/08/5e-guide-to-guides.html?m=1" target="_blank">http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2014/08/5e-guide-to-guides.html?m=1</a>As for the -5 for +10 feats, if you're getting them instead of +2 to a stat, they are effectively -6 to hit for +9 to damage, which isn't as good of a deal. Those feats are also better at higher levels when you have more attacks and a higher bonus to hit. At best, I'd start thinking about getting them after the first stat boost but before the second.I'd probably be getting feats first if I was trying to play a tank, but as I said earlier in this thread I'm underwhelmed by tanking in 5E. While some of this is bias from comparing 5E tanks to 4E defenders, the vibe I get from the mechanics and what I've read on forums on the whole is that for 5E offense &gt; defense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="thecasualoblivion, post: 6859903, member: 59096"] I just got done reading all the optimization guides for each class, and I'd say 80-90% of the time they recommended getting your main stat to 20 first. If you really want a feat, the guides recommend going variant human and getting the feat for free at level 1 while getting your stat to 20 by 8th level. This was the list of guides I was using: [url]http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2014/08/5e-guide-to-guides.html?m=1[/url] As for the -5 for +10 feats, if you're getting them instead of +2 to a stat, they are effectively -6 to hit for +9 to damage, which isn't as good of a deal. Those feats are also better at higher levels when you have more attacks and a higher bonus to hit. At best, I'd start thinking about getting them after the first stat boost but before the second. I'd probably be getting feats first if I was trying to play a tank, but as I said earlier in this thread I'm underwhelmed by tanking in 5E. While some of this is bias from comparing 5E tanks to 4E defenders, the vibe I get from the mechanics and what I've read on forums on the whole is that for 5E offense > defense. [/QUOTE]

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