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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6860323" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>I don't have a lot to add to this. Iserith and pemerton pretty much nailed it. I could post the present DW characters in the game I'm running and speak to their breadth of resources and ability to impress their will upon the shared fiction...but I think I'm actually going to post something pithy instead!</p><p></p><p>GM Instruction</p><p></p><p>GM Latitude</p><p></p><p>GM Overhead</p><p></p><p>When I'm evaluating a game I'm going to run, those are three areas that are very important to me. Those areas are where you will find major overlap in DW, 4e, MHRP, and BW. Significant overlap.</p><p></p><p>And that dovetails with this thread in general. My guess is that TCO isn't just talking about the intricacies and granularity of PC build and resolution mechanics when he is talking about longing for 4e. My guess is that a lot of players (and GMs) who prefer 4e over something else (such as 5e) is because of the three component parts of GMing above and how those affect play and the general table aesthetic (both tangibly and intangibly).</p><p></p><p>5e has some small GM Instruction overlap with those games (Fail Forward, Success With Complications, hooking into the Inspiration reward cycle), but there are a lot of central areas where it is much more open and neutral (by design).</p><p></p><p>However, with respect to GM Latitude and GM Overhead, a game like 5e is very different than games like 4e, DW, MHRP and BW. The affect on play, because of this, is not insignificant (for all participants).</p><p></p><p></p><p>...does that count as pithy?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6860323, member: 6696971"] I don't have a lot to add to this. Iserith and pemerton pretty much nailed it. I could post the present DW characters in the game I'm running and speak to their breadth of resources and ability to impress their will upon the shared fiction...but I think I'm actually going to post something pithy instead! GM Instruction GM Latitude GM Overhead When I'm evaluating a game I'm going to run, those are three areas that are very important to me. Those areas are where you will find major overlap in DW, 4e, MHRP, and BW. Significant overlap. And that dovetails with this thread in general. My guess is that TCO isn't just talking about the intricacies and granularity of PC build and resolution mechanics when he is talking about longing for 4e. My guess is that a lot of players (and GMs) who prefer 4e over something else (such as 5e) is because of the three component parts of GMing above and how those affect play and the general table aesthetic (both tangibly and intangibly). 5e has some small GM Instruction overlap with those games (Fail Forward, Success With Complications, hooking into the Inspiration reward cycle), but there are a lot of central areas where it is much more open and neutral (by design). However, with respect to GM Latitude and GM Overhead, a game like 5e is very different than games like 4e, DW, MHRP and BW. The affect on play, because of this, is not insignificant (for all participants). ...does that count as pithy? [/QUOTE]
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