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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6863817" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>"Viking-hat" is a term I've heard used on forums, though I've only heard it used in a third-party way (e.g. speaking about people that aren't actually involved in the conversation). I, personally, would also think a DM is "entitled" when they make lengthy and sweeping declarations of what's not allowed in their games--there's this way of presenting it, I don't know how or why, that just makes it sound so <em>gleeful</em>, like the DM is just SO HAPPY to be able to say "no, hell no, and never darken my door again!" to players who simply find something interesting/enjoyable/etc. and express genuine enthusiasm about it. "You can't play <em>this</em> in my games and <em>that</em> is out because they're *ALWAYS* evil and I don't allow evil characters. <em>Those</em> are banned in all forms, and if you want to play <em>them</em> then you can't have any of <em>these</em> options. And if you come to the table with a character sheet that has any of these things because I forgot some of them, you have to make a new character." I've had people more-or-less straight up say exactly that--just with a *much* longer list of restrictions, bans, and pigeonholes.</p><p></p><p>(You also have DMs who do things like set the players up for a fall by consistently implying that a situation is other than what it is, and then rip the rug out from under the players at the last second and laugh--whether internally or externally--when the players fall for it. That might be going a step further than <em>just</em> "entitled" though.)</p><p></p><p>Another way to put it: the "entitled" DM is the autocrat who wants to make sure you <em>know</em> he's the autocrat, perhaps even one who occasionally exercises power purely to demonstrate that he has that power.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He may not be--simply knowing they exist, just as you know that "entitled" players exist, is enough.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have gotten lucky with most of my DMs--but having followed enough forum discussions, I can <em>guarantee</em> you that they exist--and it is not always possible to play with someone who isn't like that. It may not even be obvious that they <em>are</em> such a DM until you're already invested in the game, at which point it ceases to be just a "bad gaming vs. no gaming" situation, with all the attachments and obligations that arise due to gaming being a social activity. In my own case, for example--if my 4e DM suddenly demonstrated a huge entitled streak, I'd be between a rock and a hard place, as I'm the only heavily-armored character. My departure could mean ending *everyone's* fun, e.g. causing the campaign to fold, and I don't want to be That Guy who flips the table just because somebody else is getting on my nerves. (I'll note that I think this is <em>fantastically</em> unlikely, and that my DM seems like a great guy who really cares about making a mutually-fun experience. This hypothetical is just to demonstrate that, once you *start* gaming, attachments accrue.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6863817, member: 6790260"] "Viking-hat" is a term I've heard used on forums, though I've only heard it used in a third-party way (e.g. speaking about people that aren't actually involved in the conversation). I, personally, would also think a DM is "entitled" when they make lengthy and sweeping declarations of what's not allowed in their games--there's this way of presenting it, I don't know how or why, that just makes it sound so [I]gleeful[/I], like the DM is just SO HAPPY to be able to say "no, hell no, and never darken my door again!" to players who simply find something interesting/enjoyable/etc. and express genuine enthusiasm about it. "You can't play [I]this[/I] in my games and [I]that[/I] is out because they're *ALWAYS* evil and I don't allow evil characters. [I]Those[/I] are banned in all forms, and if you want to play [I]them[/I] then you can't have any of [I]these[/I] options. And if you come to the table with a character sheet that has any of these things because I forgot some of them, you have to make a new character." I've had people more-or-less straight up say exactly that--just with a *much* longer list of restrictions, bans, and pigeonholes. (You also have DMs who do things like set the players up for a fall by consistently implying that a situation is other than what it is, and then rip the rug out from under the players at the last second and laugh--whether internally or externally--when the players fall for it. That might be going a step further than [I]just[/I] "entitled" though.) Another way to put it: the "entitled" DM is the autocrat who wants to make sure you [I]know[/I] he's the autocrat, perhaps even one who occasionally exercises power purely to demonstrate that he has that power. He may not be--simply knowing they exist, just as you know that "entitled" players exist, is enough. I have gotten lucky with most of my DMs--but having followed enough forum discussions, I can [I]guarantee[/I] you that they exist--and it is not always possible to play with someone who isn't like that. It may not even be obvious that they [I]are[/I] such a DM until you're already invested in the game, at which point it ceases to be just a "bad gaming vs. no gaming" situation, with all the attachments and obligations that arise due to gaming being a social activity. In my own case, for example--if my 4e DM suddenly demonstrated a huge entitled streak, I'd be between a rock and a hard place, as I'm the only heavily-armored character. My departure could mean ending *everyone's* fun, e.g. causing the campaign to fold, and I don't want to be That Guy who flips the table just because somebody else is getting on my nerves. (I'll note that I think this is [I]fantastically[/I] unlikely, and that my DM seems like a great guy who really cares about making a mutually-fun experience. This hypothetical is just to demonstrate that, once you *start* gaming, attachments accrue.) [/QUOTE]
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