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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 6864043" data-attributes="member: 23">I'm familiar with this scenario.&nbsp; The people who are planning in step 2 are playing &quot;combat as war&quot;.&nbsp; The goal isn't to have an exciting battle with a worthy (but evil) foe, it's to crush them and stay alive.&nbsp; Player in 3 is &quot;combat as a sport&quot;.&nbsp; All the planning in step 2 is just delaying the fun.&nbsp; But for the people making the plans, planning *is* the fun!&nbsp; Step 3 guy can be someone who is just plain impatient *or* can be a PC optimizer.&nbsp; If it's the later, he's already spent a lot of time planning - he designed his PC!&nbsp; What feat to take, what class powers to get etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; Combat is the &quot;test&quot; - is the plan any good?&nbsp; Is the character design any good?&nbsp; So I can see an optimizer wanting to move to the fight already to &quot;test&quot; his design.You have to realize that the player who pulls a #3 is denying the &quot;planners&quot; the capacity to plan, the same way a DM might be denying the player the capacity to design his or her PC by forbidding certain options.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 6864043, member: 23"] I'm familiar with this scenario. The people who are planning in step 2 are playing "combat as war". The goal isn't to have an exciting battle with a worthy (but evil) foe, it's to crush them and stay alive. Player in 3 is "combat as a sport". All the planning in step 2 is just delaying the fun. But for the people making the plans, planning *is* the fun! Step 3 guy can be someone who is just plain impatient *or* can be a PC optimizer. If it's the later, he's already spent a lot of time planning - he designed his PC! What feat to take, what class powers to get etc. Combat is the "test" - is the plan any good? Is the character design any good? So I can see an optimizer wanting to move to the fight already to "test" his design. You have to realize that the player who pulls a #3 is denying the "planners" the capacity to plan, the same way a DM might be denying the player the capacity to design his or her PC by forbidding certain options. [/QUOTE]

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