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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6876168" data-attributes="member: 996">&quot;Best played without optimization&quot; would mean horribly vulnerable to game-wrecking abuse via optimization.&nbsp; ;P&nbsp;&nbsp; Any sufficiently competent DM should be able to save 5e from such a fate.&nbsp; The 'rewards for system mastery' vary as well as the opportunities for optimization (or just customization).&nbsp; 3e offered by far the greatest rewards for system mastery or optimization, often quite disproportionate, and you could just stumble onto them.&nbsp; Picking a Tier 1 class, for instance, over-rewarded you before you even started to optimize it.&nbsp; 4e also had lots of opportunities to optimize or customize, but the rewards were muted because it was so robustly balanced.&nbsp; 5e just plain has less material and fewer options, so less opportunities for customization &amp; optimization.&nbsp; But there are still some significant rewards to be had here and there, high DPR through certain combos, the tremendous versatility of neo-Vancian casting...Storyteller had taken over for my group at the time, too, by '95 when my 10-year AD&amp;D campaign wrapped with most of the PCs around 14th level.&nbsp; But, yeah, I acculturated to the RPG hobby in the 80s, thoroughly as I enjoyed the oWoD in the 90s.I have one player, in particular, who I wish would pick up on that tactic.&nbsp; She gets so frustrated with the traditional dungeon-crawling that 5e so nicely evokes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6876168, member: 996"] "Best played without optimization" would mean [i]horribly vulnerable to game-wrecking abuse via optimization[/I]. ;P Any sufficiently competent DM should be able to save 5e from such a fate. The 'rewards for system mastery' vary as well as the opportunities for optimization (or just customization). 3e offered by far the greatest rewards for system mastery or optimization, often quite disproportionate, and you could just stumble onto them. Picking a Tier 1 class, for instance, over-rewarded you before you even started to optimize it. 4e also had lots of opportunities to optimize or customize, but the rewards were muted because it was so robustly balanced. 5e just plain has less material and fewer options, so less opportunities for customization & optimization. But there are still some significant rewards to be had here and there, high DPR through certain combos, the tremendous versatility of neo-Vancian casting... Storyteller had taken over for my group at the time, too, by '95 when my 10-year AD&D campaign wrapped with most of the PCs around 14th level. But, yeah, I acculturated to the RPG hobby in the 80s, thoroughly as I enjoyed the oWoD in the 90s. I have one player, in particular, who I wish would pick up on that tactic. She gets so frustrated with the traditional dungeon-crawling that 5e so nicely evokes. [/QUOTE]

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