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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6877640" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Okay, I see, your meaning and your words didn't quite meet for me. That is, when you say people use that failure as a defense, I take it to mean EXPLICITLY saying, "5e failed to be a big tent and that's WHY it's good!" Whereas you're using it in a softer, implied sense, one of "That thing you want isn't REALLY part of REAL D&D, which 5e does just fine thankyouverymuch."Which, I agree, is absolutely a thing people do (we had a..."nice" example on page 92), and is appalling. But every edition--including the ones I like--has its "defenders" who do their cause more harm than good.</blockquote>