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<blockquote data-quote="thecasualoblivion" data-source="post: 6879658" data-attributes="member: 59096">It not only has less of a mathematical framework than 4E, it has less of a mathematical framework than 3E(3E's math just tended not to add up most of the time). The difference is that I never found it necessary or desirable to make massive changes to 4E. 3E I felt the need and was fighting the (bad) math of that game every step of the way, and almost always lost. In AD&amp;D the math was was usually arbitrary, and you could change it without too much hassle because there really wasn't any rhyme or reason to it.For 5E it might be less of a framework but it is there. I'm a math guy. I see the math and it really bothers me when it doesn't work or add up. If I change something that affects the math, it needs to add up and still work or I'm not going to be happy with it. When I look at 5E as a DM with the goal of modifying it to do what I want, I am ending up in conflict with that math. That's what I meant by either just wrecking the math and having to fudge everything, or having to rewrite the math from scratch which is a lot of work.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="thecasualoblivion, post: 6879658, member: 59096"] It not only has less of a mathematical framework than 4E, it has less of a mathematical framework than 3E(3E's math just tended not to add up most of the time). The difference is that I never found it necessary or desirable to make massive changes to 4E. 3E I felt the need and was fighting the (bad) math of that game every step of the way, and almost always lost. In AD&D the math was was usually arbitrary, and you could change it without too much hassle because there really wasn't any rhyme or reason to it. For 5E it might be less of a framework but it is there. I'm a math guy. I see the math and it really bothers me when it doesn't work or add up. If I change something that affects the math, it needs to add up and still work or I'm not going to be happy with it. When I look at 5E as a DM with the goal of modifying it to do what I want, I am ending up in conflict with that math. That's what I meant by either just wrecking the math and having to fudge everything, or having to rewrite the math from scratch which is a lot of work. [/QUOTE]

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