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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6880775" data-attributes="member: 6688277">How about it? I'm looking at the 3.5e PHB1. I just dont see it in the Sorcerer/Wizard's spell lists. Do you ever intend to plant your goalposts at some point or are you just gonna keep running with them?  You know what, you're absolutely right Moonsong, the 3e Sorcerer is honestly a better match for you with its wide range of options. 5e DMs have failed you, re-skinning is too much of a stretch for you, homebrew doesn't satisfy you, the 4e Sorcerers are impossible and the 5e ones are just not that good. You win. Are we done or do you want to continue complaining in the 5e forum about the 5e DMs you know?</blockquote>