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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 3839898" data-attributes="member: 467">See, I found the experience to be exactly the opposite.&nbsp; 3E combat with minis took forever and once I finally decided to sitch them and just use a whiteboard to draw things out &quot;not to scale&quot; and just adjudicate (&quot;I want to get past that ogre and take out the lich.&quot;&nbsp; 'Ain't gonna happen.&nbsp; he's positioned so he can cover the whole passage.&nbsp; Do you want to take the AoO?&quot;) the game ran really fast.&nbsp; Now, what's wierd is that when I went back to minis (different group, with one player that wouldn't play without them) using minis sped up.&nbsp; I learned, somewhere in there without meaning to, to &quot;stop worry and love&quot; minis.&nbsp; One of the things that really did it was making players make snap, middle of combat decisions -- no more counting squares 3 or 4 times to get the most out of movement.&nbsp; Pick up your mini and move it, once square at a time, until you want to stop or run out of movement.&nbsp; You have 10 seconds. No takebacks.&nbsp; If miss and AoO because I am not paying attention, so be it -- the orc was too busy not getting hit by the paladin while the rogue snuck by.&nbsp; if you miss one, also so be it -- your rogue was obviosuly focused on where he was going instead of where he was.The other thing about minis that is kind of a tangent: creating adventures was always hard with minis because I only had so many and there were creatures or whatever I wanted use, but had no minis for.&nbsp; After going mini-less, I realized it didn't matter at all.&nbsp; Coins would do.&nbsp; it made adventure design much easier and more organic than it had been during my &quot;must have the right mini&quot; phase.As to 4E: expect more of the same.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 3839898, member: 467"] See, I found the experience to be exactly the opposite. 3E combat with minis took [i]forever[/i] and once I finally decided to sitch them and just use a whiteboard to draw things out "not to scale" and just adjudicate ("I want to get past that ogre and take out the lich." 'Ain't gonna happen. he's positioned so he can cover the whole passage. Do you want to take the AoO?") the game ran really fast. Now, what's wierd is that when I went back to minis (different group, with one player that wouldn't play without them) using minis sped up. I learned, somewhere in there without meaning to, to "stop worry and love" minis. One of the things that really did it was making players make snap, middle of combat decisions -- no more counting squares 3 or 4 times to get the most out of movement. Pick up your mini and move it, once square at a time, until you want to stop or run out of movement. You have 10 seconds. No takebacks. If miss and AoO because I am not paying attention, so be it -- the orc was too busy not getting hit by the paladin while the rogue snuck by. if you miss one, also so be it -- your rogue was obviosuly focused on where he was going instead of where he was. The other thing about minis that is kind of a tangent: creating adventures was always hard with minis because I only had so many and there were creatures or whatever I wanted use, but had no minis for. After going mini-less, I realized it didn't matter at all. Coins would do. it made adventure design much easier and more organic than it had been during my "must have the right mini" phase. As to 4E: expect more of the same. [/QUOTE]

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