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<blockquote data-quote="evildmguy" data-source="post: 9267109" data-attributes="member: 6092">These are great ideas!&nbsp; Thanks!&nbsp; I agree that constructs should be immune to stun.&nbsp; What I didn't like about 3E was a fair number of monsters being immune to sneak attack, which is a class feature.&nbsp; By doing that, it &quot;nerfed&quot; a class ability.&nbsp; I don't mind doing this for stun because it's not a class ability of martials, or anyone who takes Stunning Assault.&nbsp; I would also allow non intelligent undead and non corporeal undead to be immune to stun.&nbsp; Probably oozes.&nbsp; Maybe plants.&nbsp; Maybe elementals.&nbsp; &nbsp; Another option would be bonuses for size differences.&nbsp; +1 or +2 per size difference between attacker and defender.&nbsp; I like using the Knockdown Assault maneuver as a guide for needing minimum damage to do the stun.&nbsp; What if that damage was equal to CON score to stun?&nbsp; Then we have a new weapon property to allow certain weapons that don't need to do that but it is size dependent.&nbsp; I don't know.&nbsp; I'm seeing a few sides of this.&nbsp; The thought of the weapon property was to allow for a Sap, which is what that is made to do.&nbsp; I also didn't want a dagger attack to be able to stun a giant.&nbsp; I also like the progression of Rattled and then Stun.&nbsp; What if Stunning Assault becomes Rattling Assault?&nbsp; Then a new 4th degree maneuver with Rattling Assault as a prereq to Stun?&nbsp; With how powerful it is, that makes more sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evildmguy, post: 9267109, member: 6092"] These are great ideas! Thanks! I agree that constructs should be immune to stun. What I didn't like about 3E was a fair number of monsters being immune to sneak attack, which is a class feature. By doing that, it "nerfed" a class ability. I don't mind doing this for stun because it's not a class ability of martials, or anyone who takes Stunning Assault. I would also allow non intelligent undead and non corporeal undead to be immune to stun. Probably oozes. Maybe plants. Maybe elementals. Another option would be bonuses for size differences. +1 or +2 per size difference between attacker and defender. I like using the Knockdown Assault maneuver as a guide for needing minimum damage to do the stun. What if that damage was equal to CON score to stun? Then we have a new weapon property to allow certain weapons that don't need to do that but it is size dependent. I don't know. I'm seeing a few sides of this. The thought of the weapon property was to allow for a Sap, which is what that is made to do. I also didn't want a dagger attack to be able to stun a giant. I also like the progression of Rattled and then Stun. What if Stunning Assault becomes Rattling Assault? Then a new 4th degree maneuver with Rattling Assault as a prereq to Stun? With how powerful it is, that makes more sense. [/QUOTE]

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