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<blockquote data-quote="Distracted DM" data-source="post: 9267841" data-attributes="member: 6894926">Monk/Adept's stunning fist/strike is absolutely something that I considered- however Stunning Assault is available to any martial character rather than being a level-gated class-exclusive feature; you need to dedicate 5 levels to adept to get it. And as you'll see below, Stunning Assault is superior.With Stunning Strike you choose to use it when you hit so it's not a huge loss if you miss your attacks; it has a lower cost of 1EP per stun attempt. However:Combat maneuver DCs are set by the warriors strongest attack stat, whereas stunning strike is set by Wisdom: an important stat, but arguably the SECOND stat a monk focuses on. If they focus on wisdom, then their DC is comparable but their regular attacks aren't as good.Warriors get to have their cake and eat it too.A fighter can specialize in it, making it even cheaper and scarier (the adept can take a feature that makes their stun better too, but more expensive and its use is limited).Stunning assault's cost to efficacy increases with a spell like Haste, because it works on all of their attacks until the start of their next turn. Attacks via Haste, Berserker's Relentless Attack, maneuvers like Parrying Counter, and Attacks of Opportunity will all force saves vs Stun.Side note:I do wonder if Maneuver DC should be set by something other than the highest between Str or Dex.Edit: If an Adept wants to Stun, they're better off using a feat for martial scholar or, possibly better, taking a level of fighter- and getting Stunning Assault rather than using their own Stunning Strike.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Distracted DM, post: 9267841, member: 6894926"] Monk/Adept's stunning fist/strike is absolutely something that I considered- however Stunning Assault is available to any martial character rather than being a level-gated class-exclusive feature; you need to dedicate 5 levels to adept to get it. And as you'll see below, [B]Stunning Assault is superior.[/B] With Stunning Strike you choose to use it [I]when you hit[/I] so it's not a huge loss if you miss your attacks; it has a lower cost of 1EP per stun attempt. However: Combat maneuver DCs are set by the warriors strongest attack stat, whereas stunning strike is set by Wisdom: an important stat, but arguably the SECOND stat a monk focuses on. If they focus on wisdom, then their DC is comparable but their regular attacks aren't as good. Warriors get to have their cake and eat it too. A fighter can specialize in it, making it even cheaper and scarier (the adept can take a feature that makes their stun better too, but more expensive and its use is limited). Stunning assault's cost to efficacy [B]increases [/B]with a spell like Haste, because it works on all of their attacks [I]until the start of their next turn[/I]. Attacks via Haste, Berserker's Relentless Attack, maneuvers like Parrying Counter, and Attacks of Opportunity will all force saves vs Stun. Side note: I do wonder if Maneuver DC should be set by something other than the highest between Str or Dex. Edit: If an Adept wants to Stun, they're better off using a feat for martial scholar or, possibly better, taking a level of fighter- and getting Stunning Assault rather than using their own Stunning Strike. [/QUOTE]

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