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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anonymous3" data-source="post: 9428619" data-attributes="member: 7046807">Thanks for the replies and insight guys!Went back into the thread to find your respective takes and provided excerpts below:[USER=6894926]@Distracted DM[/USER] 's version: "Until the start of your next turn, when you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack it makes a Constitution saving throw or is rattled until the end of your next turn. When you hit a creature that is rattled, it makes a Constitution saving throw or is stunned until the end of your next turn." <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I really like the team work aspect of this change.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The only drawback would be having to track multiple conditions which does not seem hard until you're having to do it for multiple creatures and players. Then it becomes admin.</li> </ul> [USER=5889]@Stalker0[/USER] 's  version: "I still say the simplest way to fix this, is have it only work on 1 attack." <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This is really simple. When I read it, it felt as if SA was a "charge/buff" applied to their attack and if they hit the charge was released into the creature and they had to make a saving throw. This means that you only lose the "SA charge" on a hit and  you can stun one opponent per turn.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you miss all attacks then you get to keep the "SA charge" and possibly use it with a reaction attack.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I am warming up to this idea.</li> </ul> [USER=6975034]@thuter[/USER] 's version: "When you activate this technique, you take the Attack action and make a weapon attack, as well as any additional attacks granted by Extra Attack. During the Attack action, when you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack it makes a Constitution saving throw or is stunned until the end of your next turn." <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This is the fairest approach if you think SA is overpowered.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No additional tracking.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Applies to basically the extra attack feature only (if I understand it correctly).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attacks using Bonus action and reactions still benefit from the stunned condition.</li> </ul> Here is a repeat of my take just for ease of comparison: "Until the start of your next turn, when you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack it makes a Constitution saving throw or is stunned until the end of <s>your</s> their next turn." <ul style="margin-left: 40px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The creature <s>gets their movement and, with this version, </s>will get their reaction depending on turn order.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Turn order now plays a role in deciding which creature to stun. Stunning a creature above you (their turn is complete) get no reaction while creatures below you do.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><s>Burrowing and flying creatures have the option of momentarily "escaping".</s></li> </ul>I think the DM could also give options for larger creatures to remove the stunned condition. The Shrug It Off maneuver could be given to these creatures - give them exertion equal to their CR. They can remove it now but at the cost of their reaction which is not a bad trade off.</blockquote>

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