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Message: <blockquote data-quote="niklinna" data-source="post: 8415642" data-attributes="member: 71235">I don't get Dungeon World's presentation of limited race choices for certain classes either, but, it's good to keep in mind that in all PbtA games (that I've seen), playbooks are starting points, not full & restrictive definitions. So the authors say only humans get to be paladins, or only human and elf rangers get special moves. Chuck it! Be a dwarf paladin, make up a special move dwarf paladins get. I think they could have been much clearer about that, but it's just something in the air if you plug in to the community.Well, I can't argue that. Apocalypse World makes a very loose sketch of the world and leaves your group to fill in the other 98%. Blades in the Dark has a much more detailed setting—for the one city. If Apocalypse World doesn't get your juices flowing, drop it and move on.No, it means there's no point using it in a situation that isn't charged. If nothing bad could happen, there's no need to roll the dice and the GM will just flat-out tell you what the situation is. Player moves are always about doing something when failure will have consequences. If failure won't have consequences, it's not worth fussing over.This is something I do feel the author's prose fails in. A move is something your character does that is risky. Anything else is just your character doing stuff, even if it looks like using an ability or named move. But absent that risk of failure, it isn't a mechanical, technical, move. So yes, you can read the room without trying to start trouble, and if the situation isn't charged, the GM will just tell you what the deal is. But if there's a chance the tough guy who has everybody under his thumb can tell you're figuring that out, and will come at you, that's when you roll the bones.Another point of confusion. GM moves are different from player moves, and in some ways I feel they are training wheels for newer GMs. They are formalizing something experienced GMs just know how to do.(Sure wish I could figure out how to do nested quotes here.) It's just the GM tossing in a "you happened to hear this while walking around". It's taking control of the PCs in a sense, but I'd say it's safe to assume PCs walk around their home bases. If a player's not cool with that, the GM can find another way to bring that information around—say somebody comes to report that they heard the info while walking around.I'm starting to get the impression that you haven't accepted some of the central premises of the game, but keep on poking at it because without doing that, things don't make sense and/or bug you. One of the central premises of the game is that the GM & players together are building a story through actions, and not waiting for anybody to stumble on clues or do the particular thing necessary to get the ball rolling. You just kick the ball! Whether you're the GM or a player, you just kick the ball. You don't have to like it, but that's a foundational principle of PbtA gaming.About this particular bit, I can't comment. Based on what you've quoted, I'd say the GM is being a jerk. Maybe more context would give me something to go on.At this point, all I can say is, if you want to answer that question, get in on a game as a player/auditor with a GM who will be happy to lift the curtain and explain what they're doing. You are clearly not getting it by reading.I've told you about several options for using the setting in different ways, so you do have options.You have the freedom to do that very thing, so have at! It's a cool setting, by all means grab it and run a game in it with whatever system you like.</blockquote>

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