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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GwydapLlew" data-source="post: 2848283" data-attributes="member: 40373">The argument over Druidic is actually an argument over two seperate issues.1. The possibility to learn the Druidic language if you are not a druid.2. The consequences of a druid teaching Druidic to a non-druid.The RAW clearly indicate that you can learn Druidic if you meet the requirements that your DM sets forth (some require teachers, others don't). I would quote, but I can't access the SRD from work and my books are at home. Simpy put, if a druid could not teach Druidic to a non-druid, then it would not be listed as a violation of the druidic oaths under the Ex-Druid heading of the class. Likewise, you only need to put 2 (or 1, if it's a class skill) points into Speak Language if you find a teacher for the language. Similarly, the Loremaster class ability does not differentiate between secret languages, dead languages, or any other languages. It quite simply leaves that determination up to the DM.The consequences? A druid that teaches Druidic to a non-druid loses their powers as detailed in the class description. Nothing states that an ex-druid cannot continue to teach Druidic - there is no mystical prohibition listed in the RAW. IMC, I would definitely put that ex-druid on a 'list of people who know too much' and I am fairly sure that the druidic order would take steps to make sure that no secrets can be spilled - whether those steps are a geas or murder is up to the individual DM.As for the PrC we have been discussing, the flavor of the PrC indicates that a Fochlucan lyrist becomes a member of the druidic order, but their oaths are relaxed in regard to armor requirements. They are druids, although druids of a specific order. Unless you disregard the fluff, I would find it highly unlikely that the druidic order would teach their secrets to someone who learned Druidic through 'alternate channels' - although that would be an interesting character hook... "You have learned our secrets. You have shown wisdom and initiative. Join us ... or die."</blockquote>

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