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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6540361" data-attributes="member: 92511">As Feats, I think it is a simple thing to stipulate that they can't be taken before...what's the 2nd feat level, 8th? Make it a minimum 8th level prereq an stipulate them as &quot;Prestige Feats&quot; with the underlying mechanic that a PC can not belong to more than 1 Prestige Feat. Problems solved.I would go a similar route if they were made sub-class/archetypes. Stipulate these are not &quot;take at 2nd/3rd level&quot; subclasses. These are the 8th-10th level subclasses...the &quot;Prestige Archetypes&quot; that can't be chosen prior to X level and require you to be ABC subclasses first.So, AS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE, an Eldritch Knight Fighter, Hunter Ranger, Arcane Trickster Rogue or any class with the Sharpshooter Feat (so a minimum of 4th level in most cases), could become/take the &quot;Arcane Archer Prestige Sub-Class&quot; at 8th level in lieu of a 2nd feat.EDIT: So now the whining can begin &quot;If I want to play an Arcane Archer I should be able to [i.e. &quot;the game must let me or it sucks!&quot;] from 1st level!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6540361, member: 92511"] As Feats, I think it is a simple thing to stipulate that they can't be taken before...what's the 2nd feat level, 8th? Make it a minimum 8th level prereq an stipulate them as "Prestige Feats" with the underlying mechanic that a PC can not belong to more than 1 Prestige Feat. Problems solved. I would go a similar route if they were made sub-class/archetypes. Stipulate these are not "take at 2nd/3rd level" subclasses. These are the 8th-10th level subclasses...the "Prestige Archetypes" that can't be chosen prior to X level and require you to be ABC subclasses first. So, AS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE, an Eldritch Knight Fighter, Hunter Ranger, Arcane Trickster Rogue or any class with the Sharpshooter Feat (so a minimum of 4th level in most cases), could become/take the "Arcane Archer Prestige Sub-Class" at 8th level in lieu of a 2nd feat. EDIT: So now the whining can begin "If I want to play an Arcane Archer I should be able to [i.e. "the game must let me or it sucks!"] from 1st level!" [/QUOTE]

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