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<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 6674288" data-attributes="member: 907">That is the opposite of the common meaning of &quot;flavorful&quot;. Flavorful things already have a flavor, and generally aren't super-open to adding your own flavor to it. If something already tastes of strawberry, adding pork flavor will rarely enhance things.Mind you, I'm not saying that being a flavorless receptacle for whatever flavor you want to add is bad. I'm just saying that that's not what's generally meant by &quot;flavorful.&quot;I mostly agree with Mike though. The fighter is a lot different from the other classes in that two of its subclasses are primarily differentiated by their complexity level, not by their theme. You can easily tell a Druid of the Moon apart from a Druid of the Land, because the Moon druid turns into a bear and mauls you and the Land druid burns you with moonlight. You can easily tell an Open Hand monk apart from a Shadow monk, because you'll see the Open Hand monk coming. But there's no narrative difference between the Champion and the Battlemaster - they're both &quot;someone who hits things with other things and is really good at it.&quot;If given infinite page count and development time, I think a good idea would have been to keep the Champion as the &quot;generic-and-simple&quot; fighter, remove the Battlemaster, and add a few more focused subclasses. Things like Knight (for a non-magical paladin type), Defender (emphasize protecting allies and resisting damage over dealing it), and stuff like that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 6674288, member: 907"] That is the opposite of the common meaning of "flavorful". Flavorful things already have a flavor, and generally aren't super-open to adding your own flavor to it. If something already tastes of strawberry, adding pork flavor will rarely enhance things. Mind you, I'm not saying that being a flavorless receptacle for whatever flavor you want to add is [I]bad[/I]. I'm just saying that that's not what's generally meant by "flavorful." I mostly agree with Mike though. The fighter is a lot [I]different[/I] from the other classes in that two of its subclasses are primarily differentiated by their complexity level, not by their theme. You can easily tell a Druid of the Moon apart from a Druid of the Land, because the Moon druid turns into a bear and mauls you and the Land druid burns you with moonlight. You can easily tell an Open Hand monk apart from a Shadow monk, because you'll see the Open Hand monk coming. But there's no narrative difference between the Champion and the Battlemaster - they're both "someone who hits things with other things and is really good at it." If given infinite page count and development time, I think a good idea would have been to keep the Champion as the "generic-and-simple" fighter, remove the Battlemaster, and add a few more focused subclasses. Things like Knight (for a non-magical paladin type), Defender (emphasize protecting allies and resisting damage over dealing it), and stuff like that. [/QUOTE]

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