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<blockquote data-quote="redrick" data-source="post: 6675259" data-attributes="member: 6777696">Are new players who can't read and re-read and fully understand the chapters on character classes, character species and character backgrounds a niche problem? And don't have several hours to sit down and fully map out their character with their DM before the first session? I'll admit, I'm basing this entirely off my own experience. It's anecdotal and not statistical, and my experiences might be niche.Nobody's saying you can't have the flavorful classes and subclasses! The Warlock is great! Chock full of flavor. All I'm saying is that there are circumstances and players for whom all of that flavor is not so good. One of the successes of 5e is that it caters to both. It manages to have a flavor-packed Warlock, and put it next to a broad, open fighter. The Rogue comes in second, in that category. Sometimes, for folks like Moonsong, it's a bummer when the flavorful class happens to fall on a category in which they'd rather have the full freedom to create their own flavor, and for others, like maybe you, it's a bummer that the Chicken class is one where they'd rather have some more baked-in flavor options right out of the book.If you excised the Champion and the Battlemaster, and replaced them with a series of more flavored, specific subclasses (even without changing the mechanics), I think you might lose something from the game. Though, who knows. I'm certainly open to hearing about what Mearls and Co might have come up with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="redrick, post: 6675259, member: 6777696"] Are new players who can't read and re-read and fully understand the chapters on character classes, character species and character backgrounds a niche problem? And don't have several hours to sit down and fully map out their character with their DM before the first session? I'll admit, I'm basing this entirely off my own experience. It's anecdotal and not statistical, and my experiences might be niche. Nobody's saying you can't have the flavorful classes and subclasses! The Warlock is great! Chock full of flavor. All I'm saying is that there are circumstances and players for whom all of that flavor is not so good. One of the successes of 5e is that it caters to both. It manages to have a flavor-packed Warlock, and put it next to a broad, open fighter. The Rogue comes in second, in that category. Sometimes, for folks like Moonsong, it's a bummer when the flavorful class happens to fall on a category in which they'd rather have the full freedom to create their own flavor, and for others, like maybe you, it's a bummer that the Chicken class is one where they'd rather have some more baked-in flavor options right out of the book. If you excised the Champion and the Battlemaster, and replaced them with a series of more flavored, specific subclasses (even without changing the mechanics), I think you might lose something from the game. Though, who knows. I'm certainly open to hearing about what Mearls and Co might have come up with. [/QUOTE]

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