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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6675277" data-attributes="member: 996">I was thinking the Champion was so much like the (Essentials) &quot;Slayer,&quot; and that it fits the &quot;I just kill things&quot; connotation better.&nbsp; Warrior is decidedly generic, and was a 3.x NPC class.&nbsp;Even granting all that (and the marking variant lets anyone play at defending, so I'm not sure it helps), they still don't do it very well, /and/ you're still playing a class that has it's most potent abilities concentrated on DPR, and working at cross purposes against that.&nbsp; At best, the fighter is tough and expendable enough to make a decent meat shield.&nbsp; I don't know that I'd agree that's on par with defender, but the similarities are obvious.&nbsp;&nbsp; Heh.&nbsp; 'Only,' yeah.&nbsp; So is it up to the Champion, Battlemaster, Thief, Assassin, or Berserker to take up all that slack?&nbsp;I doubt it was the two non-casting fighter-sub classes that distracted them from coming up with more - I'm guessing it was the 30 or so magic-using sub-classes that absorbed much of their attention.&nbsp; &nbsp; One way to avoid spreading focus is, of course, to narrow it.&nbsp; Have more than 0 non-caster classes and more than 5 non-caster sub-classes, and the two non-casting fighter sub-classes won't have so much ground to cover.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6675277, member: 996"] I was thinking the Champion was so much like the (Essentials) "Slayer," and that it fits the "I just kill things" connotation better. Warrior is decidedly generic, and was a 3.x NPC class. Even granting all that (and the marking variant lets anyone play at defending, so I'm not sure it helps), they still don't do it very well, /and/ you're still playing a class that has it's most potent abilities concentrated on DPR, and working at cross purposes against that. At best, the fighter is tough and expendable enough to make a decent meat shield. I don't know that I'd agree that's on par with defender, but the similarities are obvious. Heh. 'Only,' yeah. So is it up to the Champion, Battlemaster, Thief, Assassin, or Berserker to take up all that slack? I doubt it was the two non-casting fighter-sub classes that distracted them from coming up with more - I'm guessing it was the 30 or so magic-using sub-classes that absorbed much of their attention. One way to avoid spreading focus is, of course, to narrow it. Have more than 0 non-caster classes and more than 5 non-caster sub-classes, and the two non-casting fighter sub-classes won't have so much ground to cover. [/QUOTE]

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