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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 9802664" data-attributes="member: 27957">As a connoisseur of gishes, and the many flavors that 5e offers them in, I've come to an opinion. The gishes born from a full caster base class that add a more weapon focused subclass cannot deliver. Because of the mechanics and power budget of 5e class design, the subclass goes to a lot of trouble to produce a character with a slightly stronger basic attack than just using an offensive cantrip, but who's still stronger when using a spell slot. And as soon as you hit a high enough level that you have a spell slot for every round of combat in a day, making a weapon attack is a liability and your subclass is dead.Bladesinger Wizard, Valor Bard, War Cleric, Moon Druid, it's the same story for all of them. You're a full caster trying to "Hello fellow kids" as a martial warrior and doing a bad job of it. Being a full caster is just better, because it's where a majority of your class power budget still lies. The effective gish subclasses come at it from a martial base class, where a subclass dash of spellcasting is a small but noticeable increase in utility and damage. That or it's baked in from the start, like Paladins.So no, I don't expect much from the Bladesinger. There's a reason the 2014 version advice was "Take it for the overpowered defensive traits meant to let you survive in melee and just play as a normal full caster." Trying to squeeze a full martial package into a full caster subclass just doesn't work.</blockquote>

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