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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 9803166" data-attributes="member: 9053"><p>I'm playing a Bladesinger right now, but it's the 5.0 version. I looked at the changes (and Treantmonk has an excellent video where he goes over all of them) and it looks like the school got a little better. The one issue, as he points out, is does the level 14 feature allows you to piggyback that onto the extra attack feature? I expect my DM would let it, but we're not going to 5.5 so it's not an issue.</p><p></p><p>In general, I play my Bladesinger (a goblin who was raised by a previous elf character in the campaign) as a wizard who has extra options to use instead of just cantrips, when that part of the combat is upon us. With the extra attack, I can make an attack in addition to casting that cantrip.</p><p></p><p>I just wanted to comment on the "wizard is a D rating class that becomes S tier." I think that depends on how you play them. To me, a wizard can dramatically change a battle or even avoid it all together, but especially at lower levels, you have to be judicious in when you use spell slots as opposed to your cantrips.</p><p></p><p>My high level Bladesinger only has fireball because the group bought him a scroll because they collectively thought a wizard can't exist without that spell. I don't memorize it. Just doing hit point damage isn't drawing on the class strength.</p><p></p><p>To give an example of a recent game where I was playing a level 1 wizard and I basically knew the DM was using the "five room dungeon" model, I ended up casting Sleep in the first battle, which allowed us to avoid much of the fight. I used cantrips in the second battle and it went as expected, with me doing about as much as a ranged character. In the third battle, we had a boss and I cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter on them. And the DM didn't save. And that was the battle. Was that a D rating character? Well, if I had rolled poorly for Sleep, and the bad guy had made their save right off, I could have been less useful. But it worked as I expected and we had a really easy go of it. And everyone had fun because the fighter types got to do the damage and actually put the bad guys down.</p><p></p><p>Now in the other campaign I'm playing in, the wizard is an Evoker and does damage. And even at high levels, no one considers them the S-tier character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 9803166, member: 9053"] I'm playing a Bladesinger right now, but it's the 5.0 version. I looked at the changes (and Treantmonk has an excellent video where he goes over all of them) and it looks like the school got a little better. The one issue, as he points out, is does the level 14 feature allows you to piggyback that onto the extra attack feature? I expect my DM would let it, but we're not going to 5.5 so it's not an issue. In general, I play my Bladesinger (a goblin who was raised by a previous elf character in the campaign) as a wizard who has extra options to use instead of just cantrips, when that part of the combat is upon us. With the extra attack, I can make an attack in addition to casting that cantrip. I just wanted to comment on the "wizard is a D rating class that becomes S tier." I think that depends on how you play them. To me, a wizard can dramatically change a battle or even avoid it all together, but especially at lower levels, you have to be judicious in when you use spell slots as opposed to your cantrips. My high level Bladesinger only has fireball because the group bought him a scroll because they collectively thought a wizard can't exist without that spell. I don't memorize it. Just doing hit point damage isn't drawing on the class strength. To give an example of a recent game where I was playing a level 1 wizard and I basically knew the DM was using the "five room dungeon" model, I ended up casting Sleep in the first battle, which allowed us to avoid much of the fight. I used cantrips in the second battle and it went as expected, with me doing about as much as a ranged character. In the third battle, we had a boss and I cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter on them. And the DM didn't save. And that was the battle. Was that a D rating character? Well, if I had rolled poorly for Sleep, and the bad guy had made their save right off, I could have been less useful. But it worked as I expected and we had a really easy go of it. And everyone had fun because the fighter types got to do the damage and actually put the bad guys down. Now in the other campaign I'm playing in, the wizard is an Evoker and does damage. And even at high levels, no one considers them the S-tier character. [/QUOTE]
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