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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9803316" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I don't think this is accurate, at least not right out of the box. </p><p></p><p>Eldritch Knight gets a better extra attack than Bladesinger at every level except 6. Better at 5 and better at 7+. It is much better at level 11+ and this is amplified by the fact that EKs also get to use better weapons, get weapon mastery and at level 9+ get tactical master.</p><p></p><p>I would also not say the Bladesinger gets a better AC than an EK. </p><p></p><p>Below level 9 I would say they are comparable. An EK in plate with no shield is 18 or 19 which is 23-24 with the shield spell. A Bladesinger probably starts at 16 with mage armor and 19 in Bladesong (21 or 24 with shield spell) and this rises by 2 more through level 8. However the Bladesinger is limited to a one handed weapon and is not getting mastery. If we limit the EK like that he is probably wielding a shield and he is probably using sap and in this case his effective AC is going to be substantially higher than a Wizard.</p><p></p><p>Once an EK hits level 9 he can use sap with any weapon. At this point his effective AC will usually be better regardless of if he has a shield.</p><p></p><p>The Bladesingers compensation is spells. When you add in spells, especially upcast spells, and with the right feats. This means the Bladesinger can be a "top-tier" martial, but you need your feats and spells to lean into this if you really want it to work. A Bladesinger throwing out Fireball, Fear and Forcecage is not going to be a top tier martial, but one using those slots on False Life, Tasha's Otherworldly Guise and Sprit Shroud will be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9803316, member: 7030563"] I don't think this is accurate, at least not right out of the box. Eldritch Knight gets a better extra attack than Bladesinger at every level except 6. Better at 5 and better at 7+. It is much better at level 11+ and this is amplified by the fact that EKs also get to use better weapons, get weapon mastery and at level 9+ get tactical master. I would also not say the Bladesinger gets a better AC than an EK. Below level 9 I would say they are comparable. An EK in plate with no shield is 18 or 19 which is 23-24 with the shield spell. A Bladesinger probably starts at 16 with mage armor and 19 in Bladesong (21 or 24 with shield spell) and this rises by 2 more through level 8. However the Bladesinger is limited to a one handed weapon and is not getting mastery. If we limit the EK like that he is probably wielding a shield and he is probably using sap and in this case his effective AC is going to be substantially higher than a Wizard. Once an EK hits level 9 he can use sap with any weapon. At this point his effective AC will usually be better regardless of if he has a shield. The Bladesingers compensation is spells. When you add in spells, especially upcast spells, and with the right feats. This means the Bladesinger can be a "top-tier" martial, but you need your feats and spells to lean into this if you really want it to work. A Bladesinger throwing out Fireball, Fear and Forcecage is not going to be a top tier martial, but one using those slots on False Life, Tasha's Otherworldly Guise and Sprit Shroud will be. [/QUOTE]
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