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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 3608584" data-attributes="member: 29252"><p>SG:</p><p></p><p>Theoretically, a player could arrange this. In practice, it's a bad idea.</p><p></p><p>Consider, for a minute, a Scroll of Wish:</p><p>Materials cost: 1912.5 gp</p><p>XP cost (not paid by the Binder, but by the Bound): 5,153 xp.</p><p>Crafting Time: 4 days.</p><p>The scroll is valued at 28,825, so you can just sell the scroll for 14412.5 gp, and make a profit of 12,500 gp. </p><p></p><p>Consider a scroll of Limited Wish:</p><p>Materials cost: 1137.5 gp.</p><p>XP cost (not paid by the Binder, but by the Bound): 391 xp.</p><p>Crafting Time: 3 days.</p><p>The scroll is valued at 3,775 gp; selling for half, that's 1887.5 gp, for a profit of 750 gp.</p><p></p><p>Consider a scroll of Lesser Planar Ally:</p><p>Materials cost: 350 gp.</p><p>XP cost (not paid by the Binder, but by the Bound): 130 xp.</p><p>Crafting Time: 1 day.</p><p>The scroll is valued at 1,200 gp; selling for half, that's 600 gp, for a profit of 250 gp.</p><p></p><p>Basically, with any scroll that has an XP component cost but no material component cost, you profit 2.5 gp/xp of material component cost. So the XP component for Lesser Planar Ally nets you 250 gp (100 * 2.5), the XP component for Limited Wish nets you 750 gp (300 * 2.5), and the XP component for Wish nets you 12,500 gp (5,000 * 2.5). This costs the Binder nothing but his time and a small investment (and the risk of the dreaded nat-1, of course).</p><p></p><p>This is heavily abuseable.</p><p></p><p>Now, if Bound critters never have any loose XP and never have any Crafting feats (for some bizzare reason <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) this can work - the Binder has to Collaberate with the Bound, and the Binder has to act as the Creator (and thus provides all XP). This will be handy for when you want to Craft something that requires a spell you don't have (for instance, a Wizard wanting to Craft a Shield Guardian - requires Imbue with Spell Ability, which is Cleric only), but isn't nearly as abuseable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 3608584, member: 29252"] SG: Theoretically, a player could arrange this. In practice, it's a bad idea. Consider, for a minute, a Scroll of Wish: Materials cost: 1912.5 gp XP cost (not paid by the Binder, but by the Bound): 5,153 xp. Crafting Time: 4 days. The scroll is valued at 28,825, so you can just sell the scroll for 14412.5 gp, and make a profit of 12,500 gp. Consider a scroll of Limited Wish: Materials cost: 1137.5 gp. XP cost (not paid by the Binder, but by the Bound): 391 xp. Crafting Time: 3 days. The scroll is valued at 3,775 gp; selling for half, that's 1887.5 gp, for a profit of 750 gp. Consider a scroll of Lesser Planar Ally: Materials cost: 350 gp. XP cost (not paid by the Binder, but by the Bound): 130 xp. Crafting Time: 1 day. The scroll is valued at 1,200 gp; selling for half, that's 600 gp, for a profit of 250 gp. Basically, with any scroll that has an XP component cost but no material component cost, you profit 2.5 gp/xp of material component cost. So the XP component for Lesser Planar Ally nets you 250 gp (100 * 2.5), the XP component for Limited Wish nets you 750 gp (300 * 2.5), and the XP component for Wish nets you 12,500 gp (5,000 * 2.5). This costs the Binder nothing but his time and a small investment (and the risk of the dreaded nat-1, of course). This is heavily abuseable. Now, if Bound critters never have any loose XP and never have any Crafting feats (for some bizzare reason ;) ) this can work - the Binder has to Collaberate with the Bound, and the Binder has to act as the Creator (and thus provides all XP). This will be handy for when you want to Craft something that requires a spell you don't have (for instance, a Wizard wanting to Craft a Shield Guardian - requires Imbue with Spell Ability, which is Cleric only), but isn't nearly as abuseable. [/QUOTE]
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