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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7919381" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Stat dump...</p><p>As for the barbarian intimidate. Let's see how the skills work.</p><p>Some skills are meant to be used only by those who are trained (mainly knowledge and tool skills) and others are meant to be used almost by anyone (physical and social interaction skills).</p><p></p><p>Some people are untrained and natural at some actions/skills. This means that they have a high attribute in the related skills but no proficiency. Example: charisma at 18 and no skills. A young charismatic punk trying to show off.</p><p></p><p>Some people are trained but are not particularly good or gifted at some action/skills. Trained but stat is at around 10 to 13. Their skill/proficiency will eventually enable them to beat a natural untrained person at this skill. Example: An old bitter politician 10th level whatever class you want. Good proficiency but charisma at 12. He was not a star of politics but he managed to get to play his cards. He is equal and in some cases superior to a young untrained natural.</p><p></p><p>Some are untrained and clearly bad at a skill. Low charisma of 9 or lower and untrained. Example a young student, weighting 100 pounds with 20 pounds of lead in his shoes trying to impress the doorman of a bar...</p><p></p><p>And some are trained but are not gifted at all for the skill. Example: A guitar player trained in tool (guitar) but with a dexterity of 8. The music he makes is listenable but not memorable. He simply can do the job (especially at high level) but he's not likely to make a career out of it (but he may try, dreams are there for that...)</p><p></p><p>And finally we have the trained and truly gifted. A high stats (16+) and trained. This one is hard to beat and can do miracles. And the exceptional would have expertise...</p><p></p><p>In the case of our barbarian I would rule this way: The ripping of that door would give him the advantage on his check. He's trying to show his muscle yes, but he's not using his strength on the targets of his check. So he would roll with his charisma and skills. If he is untrained, bad luck. His chances are low. A lot of people have done extraordinary things but no one remember them. With training, the barbarian would probably succeed. The difficulty would depend on the type of enemy he has in front of him. Low strength enemy would be easier to impress (ie goblins) than high strength enemies (ogres).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7919381, member: 6855114"] Stat dump... As for the barbarian intimidate. Let's see how the skills work. Some skills are meant to be used only by those who are trained (mainly knowledge and tool skills) and others are meant to be used almost by anyone (physical and social interaction skills). Some people are untrained and natural at some actions/skills. This means that they have a high attribute in the related skills but no proficiency. Example: charisma at 18 and no skills. A young charismatic punk trying to show off. Some people are trained but are not particularly good or gifted at some action/skills. Trained but stat is at around 10 to 13. Their skill/proficiency will eventually enable them to beat a natural untrained person at this skill. Example: An old bitter politician 10th level whatever class you want. Good proficiency but charisma at 12. He was not a star of politics but he managed to get to play his cards. He is equal and in some cases superior to a young untrained natural. Some are untrained and clearly bad at a skill. Low charisma of 9 or lower and untrained. Example a young student, weighting 100 pounds with 20 pounds of lead in his shoes trying to impress the doorman of a bar... And some are trained but are not gifted at all for the skill. Example: A guitar player trained in tool (guitar) but with a dexterity of 8. The music he makes is listenable but not memorable. He simply can do the job (especially at high level) but he's not likely to make a career out of it (but he may try, dreams are there for that...) And finally we have the trained and truly gifted. A high stats (16+) and trained. This one is hard to beat and can do miracles. And the exceptional would have expertise... In the case of our barbarian I would rule this way: The ripping of that door would give him the advantage on his check. He's trying to show his muscle yes, but he's not using his strength on the targets of his check. So he would roll with his charisma and skills. If he is untrained, bad luck. His chances are low. A lot of people have done extraordinary things but no one remember them. With training, the barbarian would probably succeed. The difficulty would depend on the type of enemy he has in front of him. Low strength enemy would be easier to impress (ie goblins) than high strength enemies (ogres). [/QUOTE]
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