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<blockquote data-quote="Darth Shoju" data-source="post: 3074391" data-attributes="member: 11397">I don't consider killing to be noble in any way. I think it is tragic and sad that the world so often comes to people having to kill or be killed. And I'm not letting action-movie cliches cloud my thinking at all. I think the concept of morality in the *real* world is considerably more complicated than labeling people &quot;good&quot; or &quot;evil&quot; or &quot;neutral&quot;. By following your reasoning, *all* soldiers are evil because they are willing to kill people. Now, I've never been in the military but from my understanding a soldier or sniper is trusting that he is being ordered to kill for the greater good. The soldier is still a human though, and they have the ability to *not* follow orders. You point out that such a soldier/sniper would quickly be removed from that role, but that is assuming they are not in the right. I would think that in such a situation there would be an investigation into the situation and it could very well be determined that the commanding officer was in the wrong (isn't that one of main function of JAG lawyers?). Even if it is determined that the soldier was in the wrong and they are disciplined, at least they could still say they have their humanity.&nbsp; Ultimately, I watch the news and see people who are willing to die a world away from their family and friends, fighting for a variety of reasons, one of which is often the sense that they are defending their country. I feel terrible that people are being asked to make such sacrifices but I am glad there are people willing to do so.I hope my post wasn't too political for the fourm rules, but I suspect it was. I appolgize if it was.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Darth Shoju, post: 3074391, member: 11397"] I don't consider killing to be noble in any way. I think it is tragic and sad that the world so often comes to people having to kill or be killed. And I'm not letting action-movie cliches cloud my thinking at all. I think the concept of morality in the *real* world is considerably more complicated than labeling people "good" or "evil" or "neutral". By following your reasoning, *all* soldiers are evil because they are willing to kill people. Now, I've never been in the military but from my understanding a soldier or sniper is trusting that he is being ordered to kill for the greater good. The soldier is still a human though, and they have the ability to *not* follow orders. You point out that such a soldier/sniper would quickly be removed from that role, but that is assuming they are not in the right. I would think that in such a situation there would be an investigation into the situation and it could very well be determined that the commanding officer was in the wrong (isn't that one of main function of JAG lawyers?). Even if it is determined that the soldier was in the wrong and they are disciplined, at least they could still say they have their humanity. Ultimately, I watch the news and see people who are willing to die a world away from their family and friends, fighting for a variety of reasons, one of which is often the sense that they are defending their country. I feel terrible that people are being asked to make such sacrifices but I am glad there are people willing to do so. I hope my post wasn't too political for the fourm rules, but I suspect it was. I appolgize if it was. [/QUOTE]

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