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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 2292429" data-attributes="member: 463"><p>(Tried to post earlier but my work PC doesn't like me wasting time on ENW) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p>I think the default XP rate in 3e is already too high, and this would increase it further. In fact using this would be a good opportunity to change the default award from 300xLevel to 100xLevel, since it would scale back up to around 2/3 current standard XP.</p><p></p><p>Re CRs, as a GM who usually runs published scenarios and doesn't have time to go over all the stat blocks I'm of the opinion that, to coin a phrase, you go to the table with the CRs you have, not the CRs you would wish to have. It might be nice to convert to the U_K system but it requires several extra steps in XP calculation and for now I'm sticking with XP based off CR. WoTC CRs are far from perfect, but they appear to do 1 thing quite well, which is provide a monster that is a challenging encounter for a PC group of level equal to the CR. They don't work for multiple creatures though. What Craig has said fits my own suspicion that 3e's designers never thought much about the difference between </p><p></p><p>(1) 4 PCs fighting monster X then monster Y, and</p><p>(2) 4 PCs fighting monster X + monster Y at the same time.</p><p></p><p>In the first case, if the monster X is as tough as 2 PCs, it deals 50% as much damage as the group and lasts 50% as long, so it will inflict about 25% resource loss on the group. Incidentally if the monster is a melee brute that 25% may be all the hps of 1 PC, so these are definitely dangerous encounters. If monster Y is the same CR as X the party can beat both having lost 50% resources.</p><p></p><p>In the second case, fighting the same monsters at once, the monsters together dish out 100% as much damage as the PCs and together last 100% as long, so on average will inflict 100% resource loss - TPK. In fact because the PC group's offensive power drops with 1/4 casualties while the monsters need 1/2 casualties before they lose attacks, the imbalance is even greater. Now, area effect spells can alter the calculation, but the fact remains that 2 creatures at once, both able to attack, is far more dangerous than 2 creatures encountered consecutively.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 2292429, member: 463"] (Tried to post earlier but my work PC doesn't like me wasting time on ENW) ;) I think the default XP rate in 3e is already too high, and this would increase it further. In fact using this would be a good opportunity to change the default award from 300xLevel to 100xLevel, since it would scale back up to around 2/3 current standard XP. Re CRs, as a GM who usually runs published scenarios and doesn't have time to go over all the stat blocks I'm of the opinion that, to coin a phrase, you go to the table with the CRs you have, not the CRs you would wish to have. It might be nice to convert to the U_K system but it requires several extra steps in XP calculation and for now I'm sticking with XP based off CR. WoTC CRs are far from perfect, but they appear to do 1 thing quite well, which is provide a monster that is a challenging encounter for a PC group of level equal to the CR. They don't work for multiple creatures though. What Craig has said fits my own suspicion that 3e's designers never thought much about the difference between (1) 4 PCs fighting monster X then monster Y, and (2) 4 PCs fighting monster X + monster Y at the same time. In the first case, if the monster X is as tough as 2 PCs, it deals 50% as much damage as the group and lasts 50% as long, so it will inflict about 25% resource loss on the group. Incidentally if the monster is a melee brute that 25% may be all the hps of 1 PC, so these are definitely dangerous encounters. If monster Y is the same CR as X the party can beat both having lost 50% resources. In the second case, fighting the same monsters at once, the monsters together dish out 100% as much damage as the PCs and together last 100% as long, so on average will inflict 100% resource loss - TPK. In fact because the PC group's offensive power drops with 1/4 casualties while the monsters need 1/2 casualties before they lose attacks, the imbalance is even greater. Now, area effect spells can alter the calculation, but the fact remains that 2 creatures at once, both able to attack, is far more dangerous than 2 creatures encountered consecutively. [/QUOTE]
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