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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7488722" data-attributes="member: 6775031">In that case, they would have a 5% chance of success, yes. But PCs are also intended to fight monsters, such as the level 17 Adult Red Dragon that has a DC 21 fire breath.This presents a contradiction in the rules, because they very clearly state the procedure for making a saving throw, but they also say that you should never roll unless the outcome is uncertain.Believe it or not, the basic default rule in the PHB (as well as the Basic design document) is to roll 4d6 and drop low. Using an array is presented as an alternative, if you want to save time or otherwise don't want to roll.Increasing a stat from 5 to 7, or even 8 to 10, is unlikely to give significant benefit compared to raising your Con from 18 to 20. After all, it doesn't matter whether your Dex modifier is -3 or +0, when you need to roll a 21.</blockquote>