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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vael" data-source="post: 5635233" data-attributes="member: 57043">I'm jealous that your epic campaign comes from PCs that have leveled all the way. My own epic experiences have been less organic. I DMed a short campaign at level 21, and I just started a PC in another which may or may not continue. Epic frustrates me. As a DM, this was pre-MM3, my monsters felt toothless, especially when you have bizarre builds, like a Daggermaster Bard that had taken every darn striker multiclass feat ever, and could one-shot most monsters and a minion-popping Archlich. I'm seeing the same thing on the player side. My Swordmage isn't a damage dealer, but two stun powers and a bunch of nasty interrupts make the DM's job hard and most of the other PCs are also well built for combat.This, to me, is why Epic really doesn't get much play. It's not a tier to just jump into. But leveling up to the tier takes time and I've been playing 4e since it's release, and I've got a bunch of abandoned campaigns in my past.</blockquote>