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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wlmartin" data-source="post: 5849448" data-attributes="member: 6679380">I suppose... just dont see much support on this through RAW and such, typically because there is pretty much only DOMINATE power effect that permits control over another and that is limited to what it can/cant do... surely if WotC were smart they would have put a lot more into explaining Thrallherd since its a lot more involved.For example : If they had put in that the power being used was a Weapon attack (in the power block), it would deny you the ability to use an implement just as if it would deny you to use an implement if attacking with a Melee Weapon attack.I really dont see it... As far as the book says, you add your Int modifier (modified for level) +2 to the attack... there is no mention of it using feats and bonuses and whilst this is not usually needed, since most of the time when you attack you are doing so AS YOURSELF its implied but to transfer that implied bonus stack to your THRALL is IMO broken. I get that you are permitted to use a magical effect from the implement you have but that isnt clarified. Does this mean you can use the enhancement? The power type? The conditional effects?In my mind, the only thing you should be able to do is substitute your Int modifier for their strength modifier when it comes to the attack roll... if they have proficiency or enhancements from the weapon they carry - great! but to add in your own implement bonuses just doesnt sit right with me.If you had a proficiency with the weapon they carry that is BETTER than theirs, I could get substituting that but chances you wont.The problem is... that the RAW doesnt support my understanding or any of those that posted, the only thing it says is that the Thrall gets a proficiency bonus for the weapon they use... and it can be assumed this is added to the attack roll... it doesnt say anything about being able to use feat and implement bonuses instead of or as well.Since there is no other example of the ability to control a creature in such a way, the lack of rules written about it is seriously annoying!!</blockquote>

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