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<blockquote data-quote="wlmartin" data-source="post: 5849469" data-attributes="member: 6679380"><p>This does make sense.</p><p>Thanks</p><p></p><p>So as long as I am not stacking identical bonuses, I am fine.</p><p></p><p>I get the whole, attacking THROUGH him - as if he is just a meat puppet and I am not so much COMMANDING him as USING him as a weapon.</p><p></p><p>It does feel a bit like cheating where the IMPLEMENT and WEAPON prof. can stack together since in a typical enviroment they wouldn't (ie you couldnt use two in one power) so it feels like that is an exploit where somehow you should substitute the weapon used by the Thrall for the Implement you may use during the power.</p><p></p><p>After all... if you think about it, you are using his weapon... you are getting the proficiency for using that weapon as if you were him and you make the weapon attack.... whilst you could roleplay that you twiddle your crystal ball before making the attack, really you arent and you are attacking through him.</p><p></p><p>For that reason and unless someone could prove to me otherwise, I accept that you get Int modifiers, certain feat bonuses etc but anything that relates to using an implement should be treated as either </p><p></p><p>a) You use the implement to judge proficiency for the attack</p><p>b) You use the Thralls Weapon to judge proficiency for the attack</p><p></p><p>To use both is cheating since controlling the Thrall is in no way tied to an implement.</p><p></p><p>I just cant see both being used at the same time... one over the other but then if you do use one over the other the enhancement bonuses should apply to the one you are using.</p><p></p><p>Grrrrrrr - i started this post by agreeing with what was said and have talked myself back into a corner.</p><p></p><p>You cant use Implement and Weapon profs. together - show me how you can because I cant see any rules that say you can and if this is the exception they did a bad job of making it that way without a better explanation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wlmartin, post: 5849469, member: 6679380"] This does make sense. Thanks So as long as I am not stacking identical bonuses, I am fine. I get the whole, attacking THROUGH him - as if he is just a meat puppet and I am not so much COMMANDING him as USING him as a weapon. It does feel a bit like cheating where the IMPLEMENT and WEAPON prof. can stack together since in a typical enviroment they wouldn't (ie you couldnt use two in one power) so it feels like that is an exploit where somehow you should substitute the weapon used by the Thrall for the Implement you may use during the power. After all... if you think about it, you are using his weapon... you are getting the proficiency for using that weapon as if you were him and you make the weapon attack.... whilst you could roleplay that you twiddle your crystal ball before making the attack, really you arent and you are attacking through him. For that reason and unless someone could prove to me otherwise, I accept that you get Int modifiers, certain feat bonuses etc but anything that relates to using an implement should be treated as either a) You use the implement to judge proficiency for the attack b) You use the Thralls Weapon to judge proficiency for the attack To use both is cheating since controlling the Thrall is in no way tied to an implement. I just cant see both being used at the same time... one over the other but then if you do use one over the other the enhancement bonuses should apply to the one you are using. Grrrrrrr - i started this post by agreeing with what was said and have talked myself back into a corner. You cant use Implement and Weapon profs. together - show me how you can because I cant see any rules that say you can and if this is the exception they did a bad job of making it that way without a better explanation. [/QUOTE]
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