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<blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 5849478" data-attributes="member: 84242">I agree that it the truncated fashion they wrote it it is odd, but the fact you can use the magic from your implement suggests it should use your implement in some way, and it is imo unfair to give you an attack that loses out on your feats etc without giving you anything in return. Gaining the proficiency bonus is not &quot;giving you anything &quot; btw, as it just addresses that this attack is against AC not NADs (which the prof is designed to compensate for). If you really find it hard to justify treat it as an Implement power with the following extras:Special : The thrall gains a bonus to this attack equal to the prificiency bonus of the weapon it wields.Special : If the thrall is wielding a magic weapon you may choose to apply, to this attack, the weapon's enhancement bonus, crit effects, properties and powers instead of those of the implement you used for this attack.This covers the exact same affect as what they said but allows you to see that as you use an implement with the power (even if that implement's magic is not used in calculating ToHit and Damage) you would get all your abilities and feats as bonuses even if they are related to using the implement. You still used the implement, you just didn't use its magic.Now I may be wrong on how this is supposed to work, but this makes the most sense (to me) with what they have written, how the rules normally work for attacking through something else and being balanced with just using a normal power (No reason to lose ToHit or Damage effect/feats just for being able to say &quot;My Thrall did that&quot; imo). Sometimes 4Ed rules are not intuitive but they are generally worked to be balanced if played as is (or they errata to make them so).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nichwee, post: 5849478, member: 84242"] I agree that it the truncated fashion they wrote it it is odd, but the fact you can use the magic from your implement suggests it should use your implement in some way, and it is imo unfair to give you an attack that loses out on your feats etc without giving you anything in return. Gaining the proficiency bonus is not "giving you anything " btw, as it just addresses that this attack is against AC not NADs (which the prof is designed to compensate for). If you really find it hard to justify treat it as an [B]Implement[/B] power with the following extras: [B]Special[/B] : The thrall gains a bonus to this attack equal to the prificiency bonus of the weapon it wields. [B]Special[/B] : If the thrall is wielding a magic weapon you may choose to apply, to this attack, the weapon's enhancement bonus, crit effects, properties and powers instead of those of the implement you used for this attack. This covers the exact same affect as what they said but allows you to see that as you use an implement with the power (even if that implement's magic is not used in calculating ToHit and Damage) you would get all your abilities and feats as bonuses even if they are related to using the implement. You still used the implement, you just didn't use its magic. Now I may be wrong on how this is supposed to work, but this makes the most sense (to me) with what they have written, how the rules normally work for attacking through something else and being balanced with just using a normal power (No reason to lose ToHit or Damage effect/feats just for being able to say "My Thrall did that" imo). Sometimes 4Ed rules are not intuitive but they are generally worked to be balanced if played as is (or they errata to make them so). [/QUOTE]

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