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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6368493" data-attributes="member: 15700">OK, I actually laughed out loud at this one.&nbsp; This is pretty funny, coming from the person who when makes arguments about the power of spellcasting (like being overpowered other classes), you almost always ignore the details (like does the caster have the spell prepped, did they learn it to begin with, do they have any available slots left, how many encounters will be had that day, etc, etc).The bottom line is you're saying the wizard is a lot more versatile, and I don't see it.Can the wizard swap out spells ad-hoc?&nbsp; No.Can the wizard modify spells via metamagic?&nbsp; No.Can the wizard cast as many spells as the sorcerer?&nbsp; No.These are all things that offer more versatility, not less.&nbsp; Now, can the sorcerer cast ritual spells?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Can they have as many spells in their book as the wizard?&nbsp; No, but then again, they don't need a book to begin with (more versatility since they don't have to worry about losing it) and can swap out spells as they level, so like the wizard, they have access to a lot more spells than they can prep at a particular time.So when I look at the 5e wizard compared to the 5e sorcerer, I don't see the wizard being more versatile.&nbsp; And as mentioned, it's apples and oranges to compare the 3e versions.&nbsp; For one, why did you pick that version and not 4e?&nbsp; 2e?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6368493, member: 15700"] OK, I actually laughed out loud at this one. This is pretty funny, coming from the person who when makes arguments about the power of spellcasting (like being overpowered other classes), you almost always ignore the details (like does the caster have the spell prepped, did they learn it to begin with, do they have any available slots left, how many encounters will be had that day, etc, etc). The bottom line is you're saying the wizard is a lot more versatile, and I don't see it. Can the wizard swap out spells ad-hoc? No. Can the wizard modify spells via metamagic? No. Can the wizard cast as many spells as the sorcerer? No. These are all things that offer [I]more [/I]versatility, not less. Now, can the sorcerer cast ritual spells? No. Can they have as many spells in their book as the wizard? No, but then again, they don't need a book to begin with (more versatility since they don't have to worry about losing it) and can swap out spells as they level, so like the wizard, they have access to a lot more spells than they can prep at a particular time. So when I look at the 5e wizard compared to the 5e sorcerer, I don't see the wizard being more versatile. And as mentioned, it's apples and oranges to compare the 3e versions. For one, why did you pick that version and not 4e? 2e? [/QUOTE]

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