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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 1061114" data-attributes="member: 8158">Cool.Fair enough, although mind you that's easily more offensive than I said to Tak. But not to worry, I can suck it up <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> I'm not concerned with moral high ground. I found it quite aggrivating that you guys were pretty dismissive of the initial suggestion, and I thought you in particular dismissed a reasonable point of view with an attitude that could be labeled condescending in and of itself. I reacted to that, and have explained where I was coming from at least a couple of times, and figured we'd eventually get past any initial confrontations, but suit yourself.I never called you jerks; I have no hostility towards you. I said the indignation was a major overreaction.  As far as I can tell, the most insulting thing I said had to do with you being a young martial artist with an excess of confidence in your knowledge of how easy it is to handle an armed opponent. I'm sorry to hear that, Tak. I thought we were going to hug and make up and be pals forever. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />More powerful than in real life? Cinematic evidence? See, from where I'm sitting we've gone over the rainbow. Guns blow guts all over the place in the real world in the exact situations I brought up. I'm saying that a guy with a gun can turn that weapon on an attacker with the same defensive alacrity as a melee weapon. That's it and that's all. What exactly do you need to have explained here?Seriously, this is almost not funny anymore. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I just know this is where the head of the Lollipop Guild shows up and tells me I'm not merely condescending, but truly most sincerely condescending....Get over it already...please! Stop having your feelings hurt and quit personalizing everything....it's driving me nuts. I can't seem to explain to you that handguns are easy to use, and their wielders are dangerous to jostle. I'm not sure what sort of mountain of evidence you mean here, but I am growing more certain that this is not going to be an enjoyable spirited discussion much longer. It might just get acrimonious.OK, so...done with the thread or not?Look, I'm saying that it in some campaigns it should be possible for a d20M character to be able to defend himself from attacks that would be able to provoke using a handgun, and requiring every character to become isn't the most ideal way for those campaigns. A feat's probably the best way to handle that, compromising between realism and playability. Of course, even then the character can get caught off-guard or can blow his attack of opportunity. Granted, it will make guns more dangerous and make it less possible for an unarmed opponent to engage the gunman. If the GM finds that acceptable, then let him give it a try.There is nothing unreasonable about any of that. And there's nothing to take personally.</blockquote>

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